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In reply to the discussion: Can we discuss the two minutes between George's 911 call and Trayvon's death [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)68. I agree the average person would get beat in a fight ...
with a black belt. However there are street fighters who often pose a challenge for a experienced martial artist and would wipe out an untrained person even if he were much larger.
The Black Belt Myth
By Damian Ross
At least once a week I get an email from some misguided and offended martial artist with his or her knickers all in a bunch asking me where I get off saying "Martial Arts Will Fail You in a Street Attack". But facts are facts.
***snip***
Can mixed martial artists, boxers, judo players, and wrestlers be good street fighters? Sure. Any kind of training is better than no training at all. But I'm not talking about people in the local pub having a go at each other. Leave the bar fight out of it. I am talking about a real street smart criminal that would rather see you dead.
A street attack is an entirely different proposition than combative sport or a hobby. The techniques used by depraved street thugs range from the simple and straight forward to brutal and down right nasty. So you think that junkie is just trying to slap you? No, he's got razor blades between his fingers and he's trying to slice your face open. (Thanks for the example Bill). Never underestimate the depths of human nature or the levels to which some people will go to impose their will over another human being.
A street attack or close quarters battle has entirely different dynamics than a competitive sport. In a competitive fight, the possibility of being seriously injured or killed is not a paramount concern. You will suffer the same sort of injuries you might expect with any contact sport, but if it were really trying to be lethal you would have people dying in the ring on a regular basis. The combative sport is only SYMBOLIC of the real thing. The Black Belt Myth
http://www.selfdefense-martialarts.com/BlackBelt.html
To be fair, Damian Ross is selling a product but he has a good point. An experienced and tough street thug doesn't know a lot of techniques but he is very good at the ones he does know and a martial artist may have never been exposed to them. He also is interested in winning the fight at all costs even if it results in the death of his opponent. He can be very brutal and he doesn't follow any rules when he fights. His mindset is entirely different than the average person who has training in martial arts.
Note that in no way am I saying that Trayvon Martin was a street fighter. I am merely pointing out that a smaller experienced fighter can beat a martial artist. The fighting techniques are different. In the dojo during competition the martial artist is fighting against an opponent who has a similar fighting style. There are rules in the fight. On the street things can be far different. In most cases the training that the martial artist has will enable him to have an excellent chance of winning but there are no guarantees.
I remember my jujitsu instructor talking about a fight between a thug and an individual who had a black belt in karate. The black belt won the fight and turned his back to walk away. The thug recovered and picked up a rock and hit the black belt on the back of his neck. The damage caused a bone fracture and the black belt ended up paralyzed from the neck down.
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Can we discuss the two minutes between George's 911 call and Trayvon's death [View all]
Quixote1818
Apr 2012
OP
It's possible that Martin did throw a punch that landed because his emotions
Quixote1818
Apr 2012
#3
Yeah, maybe a black belt or trained boxer or something could take out somebody 100 pounds heavier
Downtown Hound
Apr 2012
#40
Really? How do you know that? Do gunshot wounds always bleed all over the place immediately?
Vattel
Apr 2012
#83
Are you really saying if a person laying on you gets shot in the chest, you won't get blood on you?
uppityperson
Apr 2012
#100
You're more apt to believe the friend's description than the myriad media reports.
EOTE
Apr 2012
#107
Two different court qualified sound experts say the screams were unlikely to be Zimmerman's.
PotatoChip
Apr 2012
#20
and the timing and content of the phone calls seem to prove Zimmerman is lying
maddezmom
Apr 2012
#93
Actually, I've been attacked by a bigger human being than that and no one ended up dead
Downtown Hound
Apr 2012
#41
Wonder why it applies to GZ but NOT the Trayon? We tell children and teens to fight, scream and
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#48
If the races were reversed, I also can't believe there would have been the same lack of concern. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#54
Got the upper hand while he was talking on the phone to his girl friend? Wouldn't he need both hands
jwirr
Apr 2012
#59
It doesn't matter whether he did or not. HE was being accosted by a total stranger
sabrina 1
Apr 2012
#71
If Zimmerman got between Trayvon and his Dad's girlfriends (place of safety)
Quixote1818
Apr 2012
#44
So you are suggesting Trayvon was stalking Zimmerman while talking to his girlfriend?
Quixote1818
Apr 2012
#62
Since Zimmerman is claiming self defense it should be up to HIM to PROVE he was attacked
csziggy
Apr 2012
#78
Really? You guys must be contortionists in the way that you're trying to justify zimmy's
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#49
That doesn't make NAY sense, but that's alright becuase you;re about to be served a pizza!
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#58
And the Rosa Parks and Terry Schiavo cases blew up in the faces of wingnuts
Quixote1818
Apr 2012
#63
What kind of HUmanoid are you? What does the outright murder of an unarmed teenager have to do with
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#67
how about the lies from his dad about how Trayvon told Zimmerman he was going to die
JI7
Apr 2012
#53