Reply #114

In the discussion thread: I Have a Pledge to Make. Who Will Join Me? [View all]

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 06:48 PM

emcguffie (1,924 posts)

114. Do you honestly not see that --

-- someone else here might have been being deliberately disruptive?

I don't have a horse in this race. But it struck me right in the face that some of those posts were just trying to pick a fight. They were not looking for a discussion.

And that is what the OP was responding to. So, yeah, if you say, okay, I promise to really listen to your concerns and do some work and make some effort to have a real discussion with you, and then the other guy throws a pie in your face, then you have to not respond to that thrown pie but must go do some research on -- what? Because there was no content in any of those comments, just straightforward disparaging attacks.

I'm not interested in the Obama argument, but I am interested in what makes a discussion a discussion rather than a mudfight.

This turned into a mudfight pretty quickly, and personally I do not think it was the fault of the OP.

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188 replies	Author	Time	Post
I Have a Pledge to Make. Who Will Join Me? [View all]	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	OP
Ooooo....A "Pledge".....how , how republican !	comipinko	Dec 2011	#1
So a thoughtful pledge to be reasonable is 'Republican'?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#3
"pledges" only deter actual thought. Yup, very republican.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#7
I just tried to tell my wife that the pledges we made when we got married ...	JoePhilly	Dec 2011	#101
MRS. JoePhilly IS MY KIND OF GAL	Skittles	Dec 2011	#166
NEVER, NEVER ... mess with Mrs. JoePhily ... trust me.	JoePhilly	Dec 2011	#176
You're lucky she didn't put any grits in there for you	Hutzpa	Dec 2011	#181
Pledges stiffle? Is that because of the pledge or because the pledgee took viagra? nt	stevenleser	Dec 2011	#104
This post was hidden by jury decision.	stevenleser	Dec 2011	#105
It also occurs to me that you must believe all physicians are 'Republican'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#9
Your silly pledge can not be compared as you have done.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#11
How disappointing.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#14
Now you resort to personal attacks??	comipinko	Dec 2011	#23
What personal attack?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#26
Typical.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#33
This really is amusing.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#43
While I fully support your pledge	Aerows	Dec 2011	#69
I am laughing because	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#49
That was hardly a personal attack.	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#112
I took a pledge to my cat	snooper2	Dec 2011	#59
So you think you can speak for all "good Democrats"?	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#86
I will join you in that pledge.	polmaven	Dec 2011	#2
You'd think it wouldn't be necessary.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#4
This post was hidden by jury decision.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#12
Wow. I could not have asked for a better example of thoughtless belligerence.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#16
Take two aspirin and call me in the morning!	comipinko	Dec 2011	#20
Yep. That's the stuff.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#25
Again, it breaks it's own pledge.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#29
Again, "How?"	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#44
Where is a pledge weak minded?	Sheepshank	Dec 2011	#109
You are calling a poster "thoughtlessly belligerent"? Is that within community	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#106
I am NOT overly critical of President Obama	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#31
you noticed that , too?	comipinko	Dec 2011	#35
Post the pertinent excerpt.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#39
"Those like you."	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#89
So what you're saying is that it's wrong to point out when someone is lying.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#93
Okay...	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#164
Do you honestly not see that --	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#114
My thoughts exactly.	Old and In the Way	Dec 2011	#151
No, I saw that	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#165
Pass	Sherman A1	Dec 2011	#5
Applause. Major Cheers. n/t	Yo_Mama	Dec 2011	#6
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Dec 2011	#8
And when it is, it should be pointed out.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#10
Have you read "Catch 22"?? Lately?	comipinko	Dec 2011	#13
+1 It feels like bullying to me.	tblue	Dec 2011	#97
I pledge to speak freely.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#15
+1	pintobean	Dec 2011	#17
Now THERE is a pledge !! LOL	comipinko	Dec 2011	#21
+1	andlor	Dec 2011	#162
a pledge?	piratefish08	Dec 2011	#18
Take the damn pledge.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#22
K&R	quinnox	Dec 2011	#19
It's very interesting to see	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#24
Civil discourse?	pintobean	Dec 2011	#27
This post was hidden by jury decision.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#30
CRASH goes the "pledge"	comipinko	Dec 2011	#37
Reading comprehension fail.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#38
Given that it's the same set of readers	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#51
What? Seriously?	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#116
i pledge to not commit to civil discourse regarding the taking of pledges.	piratefish08	Dec 2011	#178
He can't answer you	pintobean	Dec 2011	#179
Ahh....so nice to see you again...massive wall of text...	tjwash	Dec 2011	#28
Keep smokin'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#32
Again with the personal attacks.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#40
So, you are suggesting the post to which he was responding is...?	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#118
Wow.	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#184
Nope, because I'm not an Obama supporter...third party...	joeybee12	Dec 2011	#34
....	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#36
Post it.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#41
Stop it. You're killing me.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#45
Amazing.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#47
Lol...	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#48
Pick one. Post it.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#50
Huh?	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#62
The request was in English.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#63
Nope...	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#64
Bwhaahahahahaaaaa! The 'copycat game'??!?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#67
Try harder.	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#70
I think I know why you found DU 'toxic'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#76
Ah, no.	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#91
Whatever excuse you need to avoid any kind of substantive discussion.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#94
So true.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#128
But you've said plenty, in your short little post.	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#120
Nope.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#129
I judge Obama on his actions, not on what he says in "black and white" print.	Laelth	Dec 2011	#42
Again I have to encourage someone to read for meaning:	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#46
Sigh. I suspected you were asking for careful, literal readings.	Laelth	Dec 2011	#52
If that's too much to ask, then I am most certainly disappointed.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#56
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?	Fearless	Dec 2011	#135
Mwen pral pran angajman an	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#53
so anyone who criticizes obama is dishonest.	aletier_v	Dec 2011	#54
Illiterate liars suffering from paranoid schizophrenia	pintobean	Dec 2011	#57
You're being too hard on them.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#61
Another one who simply 'makes shit up'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#58
Thanks you - and I agree	bhikkhu	Dec 2011	#55
Yes, and just look at all the examples in this thread.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#60
Yes, you are whining about DU. nt	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#65
By that standard, so is every post	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#66
Whine: "To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound...	Fearless	Dec 2011	#138
K & R	Aerows	Dec 2011	#68
Please read post 60 and reconsider that rec.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#72
It's just an interesting side effect. Not really much of a 'motive'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#74
So, you've taken a pledge to insult the hell out of people.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#71
If you would bother to read it, you'll see that's not the point.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#73
Your OP and this entire conversation	pscot	Dec 2011	#78
What you're saying would have validity if I called anyone an 'idiot'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#81
It was your 1st sentence	pscot	Dec 2011	#113
Jesus...that's a really fancy way to start a loyalty oath	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#75
Wow, another one who doesn't bother to read or understand an OP.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#77
Just to watch the hypocrisy spew from your keyboard, in direct contradiction to your OP.	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#80
Yet you can point to no such hypocrisy or contradictions.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#82
Run along. I believe we've concluded any useful discourse.	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#83
It never began. But at least I tried.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#87
Yes, and you got all the material you were trolling for	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#88
You mean the proof that so many	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#90
Here are a couple of your posts that I believe push the community standards envelope.	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#108
Good post, I appreciate it. I would like to	emulatorloo	Dec 2011	#79
What are we a Republican primary?	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#84
If DU is about seeing Democrats and getting Democrats elected, it can't be one big steady Obama or	deacon	Dec 2011	#85
Good point ... Getting Dems elected is the 2nd section of the DU ...	JoePhilly	Dec 2011	#99
Definetly. And that really defines the problem, a site identity crisis. n/t	deacon	Dec 2011	#139
I Pledge to remember to not be as full of myself	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#92
Now you done it.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#95
Good for you.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#96
Yeesh. It's really getting weird around here	Doctor_J	Dec 2011	#98
What "Loyalty Oath"?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#102
Dear The Doctor,	tblue	Dec 2011	#100
K&R because of your good intentions.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#103
Thanks Tblue and Zalatix.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#107
having read this entire thread	eyewall	Dec 2011	#110
Yet nothing specific to point to.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#125
Why are you right?	Fearless	Dec 2011	#136
Asking others to take take your solomn pledge	sad sally	Dec 2011	#111
Yeah, asking people to be honest and open is certainly a form of censorship.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#126
God you're an ass	eyewall	Dec 2011	#143
Does that mean you're not taking the pledge?	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#144
Pledges? We don need no stinking pledges.	eyewall	Dec 2011	#147
Muy bueno.	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#148
sounds reasonable - count me in, although I try to do those things all the time. nt	cry baby	Dec 2011	#115
No thank you.	Texasgal	Dec 2011	#117
Hey Doc... I take this pledge.	vaberella	Dec 2011	#119
Making an open committment to be honest and open	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#127
Can you quote a specific instance where there has been...	Fearless	Dec 2011	#137
Grammar police here - "...affect change" not "...effect change"	jimlup	Dec 2011	#121
Actually, no.	ChadwickHenryWard	Dec 2011	#122
I didnt even know effect could be a verb.	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#123
It can. I have an article on my grammar & usage site	tblue37	Dec 2011	#134
Hey, thanks.	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#141
You're welcome. nt	tblue37	Dec 2011	#142
Gimmie the gist...	Taverner	Dec 2011	#124
Well this paragraph is very well said and I'd like to	Maraya1969	Dec 2011	#130
I think democratic party has decided that the a-hole "independent" who voted for McCain	scentopine	Dec 2011	#131
A big +1	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#149
Let me put it more succinctly	BanTheGOP	Dec 2011	#132
You left something out.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#152
Maybe I just want my pony but...	Fearless	Dec 2011	#133
Wonderful.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#154
Funny stuff, but I'll decline. (nt) (nr)	T S Justly	Dec 2011	#140
Damn!	jbpdx	Dec 2011	#145
Nice idea but pass.	ObaMania	Dec 2011	#146
I have a suggestion	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#150
I pledge to never use the word "strawman"	eyewall	Dec 2011	#153
Well,	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#155
My understanding	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#156
I see what you're saying.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#159
Actually, you're right	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#180
Nice try Doc.	Old and In the Way	Dec 2011	#157
I am not an Obama supporter	Martin Eden	Dec 2011	#158
Mission Impossible	tatfreak79	Dec 2011	#160
Damn, I miss the "unrec" feature.	Jokerman	Dec 2011	#161
Grover . . .is that you?	Vinca	Dec 2011	#163
I PLEDGE TO SAY IT LIKE IT IS	Skittles	Dec 2011	#167
Sorry I missed this one yesterday.	Bolo Boffin	Dec 2011	#168
Are you saying the voices in my head are telling me you think I'm a liar?	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#169
Don't sweat it, hoot. I got the key.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#171
I was wondering how the OP could hear my voices. n/t	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#173
.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#174
They don't like eavesdroppers	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#175
Only read the first few responses of clusterfuck replies	JNelson6563	Dec 2011	#170
I think he got the reaction he was looking for.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#172
Yes, especially coming from	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#177
That presupposes the OP is correct.	Fearless	Dec 2011	#182
Bumpsky	UnrepentantLiberal	May 2012	#183
You're a very silly man.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#185
Pledges are either for holding or breaking	liberal N proud	Dec 2012	#186
This message was self-deleted by its author	intaglio	Dec 2012	#187
I wish I had so much time on my hands	obamanut2012	Dec 2012	#188

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