Reply #89

In the discussion thread: I Have a Pledge to Make. Who Will Join Me? [View all]

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 04:12 PM

89. "Those like you."

You don't know my history here. You don't know who I am like. I don't dislike the president, and I'm hoping for his presidency to continue after the next election. I just think that your pledge was full of shit. You seem to want others to pledge to a certain discourse, then you immediately insult those others.

I am an Obama supporter,

I am aware that he is not perfect, and although I believe he has good reasons for most, if not all, of the policies he enacts, the bills he signs, the people he appoints, and the decisions he makes, I recognize that criticism of those is often valid. It is for this reason that I shall not ever tell any of his critics on DU to 'shut up' or instruct them who they must vote for. I will endeavor to listen to their honest criticism and do the work of discovery to determine the validity of that criticism before dismissing it out of hand. I understand that there will be differences of opinion on whether a criticism is valid and will do my best to recognize the point of impasse. It is at this point I may make such an observation, but I will still maintain the other poster's right to voice their opinion. I will do my best to be polite, but even failing that I will not mischaracterize a critic's position absent of evidence and reasoned facts.
Also: I will save any lectures on the foolishness of not voting for Obama only for those who have explicitly stated that they refuse to vote for him. If I am uncertain of a person's position on this matter, I will simply ask them before making such a judgment.
I make this pledge in the understanding that if we are to effect change in this nation, we must do so with our eyes and minds wide open, and we must do it together.

Your pledge. And you immediately call BS and accuse the critics of lying.

You're not helping with the discourse. I was with you in your original post and was curious why people were argumentative with you about it. Then I got to your post #4 and realized that you have a history of accusing people of BS and lying.

It's clear now.

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188 replies	Author	Time	Post
I Have a Pledge to Make. Who Will Join Me? [View all]	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	OP
Ooooo....A "Pledge".....how , how republican !	comipinko	Dec 2011	#1
So a thoughtful pledge to be reasonable is 'Republican'?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#3
"pledges" only deter actual thought. Yup, very republican.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#7
I just tried to tell my wife that the pledges we made when we got married ...	JoePhilly	Dec 2011	#101
MRS. JoePhilly IS MY KIND OF GAL	Skittles	Dec 2011	#166
NEVER, NEVER ... mess with Mrs. JoePhily ... trust me.	JoePhilly	Dec 2011	#176
You're lucky she didn't put any grits in there for you	Hutzpa	Dec 2011	#181
Pledges stiffle? Is that because of the pledge or because the pledgee took viagra? nt	stevenleser	Dec 2011	#104
This post was hidden by jury decision.	stevenleser	Dec 2011	#105
It also occurs to me that you must believe all physicians are 'Republican'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#9
Your silly pledge can not be compared as you have done.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#11
How disappointing.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#14
Now you resort to personal attacks??	comipinko	Dec 2011	#23
What personal attack?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#26
Typical.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#33
This really is amusing.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#43
While I fully support your pledge	Aerows	Dec 2011	#69
I am laughing because	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#49
That was hardly a personal attack.	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#112
I took a pledge to my cat	snooper2	Dec 2011	#59
So you think you can speak for all "good Democrats"?	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#86
I will join you in that pledge.	polmaven	Dec 2011	#2
You'd think it wouldn't be necessary.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#4
This post was hidden by jury decision.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#12
Wow. I could not have asked for a better example of thoughtless belligerence.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#16
Take two aspirin and call me in the morning!	comipinko	Dec 2011	#20
Yep. That's the stuff.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#25
Again, it breaks it's own pledge.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#29
Again, "How?"	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#44
Where is a pledge weak minded?	Sheepshank	Dec 2011	#109
You are calling a poster "thoughtlessly belligerent"? Is that within community	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#106
I am NOT overly critical of President Obama	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#31
you noticed that , too?	comipinko	Dec 2011	#35
Post the pertinent excerpt.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#39
"Those like you."	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#89
So what you're saying is that it's wrong to point out when someone is lying.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#93
Okay...	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#164
Do you honestly not see that --	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#114
My thoughts exactly.	Old and In the Way	Dec 2011	#151
No, I saw that	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#165
Pass	Sherman A1	Dec 2011	#5
Applause. Major Cheers. n/t	Yo_Mama	Dec 2011	#6
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Dec 2011	#8
And when it is, it should be pointed out.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#10
Have you read "Catch 22"?? Lately?	comipinko	Dec 2011	#13
+1 It feels like bullying to me.	tblue	Dec 2011	#97
I pledge to speak freely.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#15
+1	pintobean	Dec 2011	#17
Now THERE is a pledge !! LOL	comipinko	Dec 2011	#21
+1	andlor	Dec 2011	#162
a pledge?	piratefish08	Dec 2011	#18
Take the damn pledge.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#22
K&R	quinnox	Dec 2011	#19
It's very interesting to see	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#24
Civil discourse?	pintobean	Dec 2011	#27
This post was hidden by jury decision.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#30
CRASH goes the "pledge"	comipinko	Dec 2011	#37
Reading comprehension fail.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#38
Given that it's the same set of readers	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#51
What? Seriously?	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#116
i pledge to not commit to civil discourse regarding the taking of pledges.	piratefish08	Dec 2011	#178
He can't answer you	pintobean	Dec 2011	#179
Ahh....so nice to see you again...massive wall of text...	tjwash	Dec 2011	#28
Keep smokin'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#32
Again with the personal attacks.	comipinko	Dec 2011	#40
So, you are suggesting the post to which he was responding is...?	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#118
Wow.	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#184
Nope, because I'm not an Obama supporter...third party...	joeybee12	Dec 2011	#34
....	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#36
Post it.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#41
Stop it. You're killing me.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#45
Amazing.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#47
Lol...	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#48
Pick one. Post it.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#50
Huh?	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#62
The request was in English.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#63
Nope...	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#64
Bwhaahahahahaaaaa! The 'copycat game'??!?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#67
Try harder.	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#70
I think I know why you found DU 'toxic'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#76
Ah, no.	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#91
Whatever excuse you need to avoid any kind of substantive discussion.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#94
So true.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#128
But you've said plenty, in your short little post.	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#120
Nope.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#129
I judge Obama on his actions, not on what he says in "black and white" print.	Laelth	Dec 2011	#42
Again I have to encourage someone to read for meaning:	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#46
Sigh. I suspected you were asking for careful, literal readings.	Laelth	Dec 2011	#52
If that's too much to ask, then I am most certainly disappointed.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#56
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?	Fearless	Dec 2011	#135
Mwen pral pran angajman an	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#53
so anyone who criticizes obama is dishonest.	aletier_v	Dec 2011	#54
Illiterate liars suffering from paranoid schizophrenia	pintobean	Dec 2011	#57
You're being too hard on them.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#61
Another one who simply 'makes shit up'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#58
Thanks you - and I agree	bhikkhu	Dec 2011	#55
Yes, and just look at all the examples in this thread.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#60
Yes, you are whining about DU. nt	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#65
By that standard, so is every post	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#66
Whine: "To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound...	Fearless	Dec 2011	#138
K & R	Aerows	Dec 2011	#68
Please read post 60 and reconsider that rec.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#72
It's just an interesting side effect. Not really much of a 'motive'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#74
So, you've taken a pledge to insult the hell out of people.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#71
If you would bother to read it, you'll see that's not the point.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#73
Your OP and this entire conversation	pscot	Dec 2011	#78
What you're saying would have validity if I called anyone an 'idiot'.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#81
It was your 1st sentence	pscot	Dec 2011	#113
Jesus...that's a really fancy way to start a loyalty oath	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#75
Wow, another one who doesn't bother to read or understand an OP.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#77
Just to watch the hypocrisy spew from your keyboard, in direct contradiction to your OP.	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#80
Yet you can point to no such hypocrisy or contradictions.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#82
Run along. I believe we've concluded any useful discourse.	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#83
It never began. But at least I tried.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#87
Yes, and you got all the material you were trolling for	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2011	#88
You mean the proof that so many	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#90
Here are a couple of your posts that I believe push the community standards envelope.	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#108
Good post, I appreciate it. I would like to	emulatorloo	Dec 2011	#79
What are we a Republican primary?	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#84
If DU is about seeing Democrats and getting Democrats elected, it can't be one big steady Obama or	deacon	Dec 2011	#85
Good point ... Getting Dems elected is the 2nd section of the DU ...	JoePhilly	Dec 2011	#99
Definetly. And that really defines the problem, a site identity crisis. n/t	deacon	Dec 2011	#139
I Pledge to remember to not be as full of myself	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#92
Now you done it.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#95
Good for you.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#96
Yeesh. It's really getting weird around here	Doctor_J	Dec 2011	#98
What "Loyalty Oath"?	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#102
Dear The Doctor,	tblue	Dec 2011	#100
K&R because of your good intentions.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#103
Thanks Tblue and Zalatix.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#107
having read this entire thread	eyewall	Dec 2011	#110
Yet nothing specific to point to.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#125
Why are you right?	Fearless	Dec 2011	#136
Asking others to take take your solomn pledge	sad sally	Dec 2011	#111
Yeah, asking people to be honest and open is certainly a form of censorship.	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#126
God you're an ass	eyewall	Dec 2011	#143
Does that mean you're not taking the pledge?	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#144
Pledges? We don need no stinking pledges.	eyewall	Dec 2011	#147
Muy bueno.	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#148
sounds reasonable - count me in, although I try to do those things all the time. nt	cry baby	Dec 2011	#115
No thank you.	Texasgal	Dec 2011	#117
Hey Doc... I take this pledge.	vaberella	Dec 2011	#119
Making an open committment to be honest and open	The Doctor.	Dec 2011	#127
Can you quote a specific instance where there has been...	Fearless	Dec 2011	#137
Grammar police here - "...affect change" not "...effect change"	jimlup	Dec 2011	#121
Actually, no.	ChadwickHenryWard	Dec 2011	#122
I didnt even know effect could be a verb.	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#123
It can. I have an article on my grammar & usage site	tblue37	Dec 2011	#134
Hey, thanks.	A-Schwarzenegger	Dec 2011	#141
You're welcome. nt	tblue37	Dec 2011	#142
Gimmie the gist...	Taverner	Dec 2011	#124
Well this paragraph is very well said and I'd like to	Maraya1969	Dec 2011	#130
I think democratic party has decided that the a-hole "independent" who voted for McCain	scentopine	Dec 2011	#131
A big +1	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#149
Let me put it more succinctly	BanTheGOP	Dec 2011	#132
You left something out.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#152
Maybe I just want my pony but...	Fearless	Dec 2011	#133
Wonderful.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#154
Funny stuff, but I'll decline. (nt) (nr)	T S Justly	Dec 2011	#140
Damn!	jbpdx	Dec 2011	#145
Nice idea but pass.	ObaMania	Dec 2011	#146
I have a suggestion	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#150
I pledge to never use the word "strawman"	eyewall	Dec 2011	#153
Well,	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#155
My understanding	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#156
I see what you're saying.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#159
Actually, you're right	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#180
Nice try Doc.	Old and In the Way	Dec 2011	#157
I am not an Obama supporter	Martin Eden	Dec 2011	#158
Mission Impossible	tatfreak79	Dec 2011	#160
Damn, I miss the "unrec" feature.	Jokerman	Dec 2011	#161
Grover . . .is that you?	Vinca	Dec 2011	#163
I PLEDGE TO SAY IT LIKE IT IS	Skittles	Dec 2011	#167
Sorry I missed this one yesterday.	Bolo Boffin	Dec 2011	#168
Are you saying the voices in my head are telling me you think I'm a liar?	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#169
Don't sweat it, hoot. I got the key.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#171
I was wondering how the OP could hear my voices. n/t	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#173
.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#174
They don't like eavesdroppers	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#175
Only read the first few responses of clusterfuck replies	JNelson6563	Dec 2011	#170
I think he got the reaction he was looking for.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#172
Yes, especially coming from	i_sometimes	Dec 2011	#177
That presupposes the OP is correct.	Fearless	Dec 2011	#182
Bumpsky	UnrepentantLiberal	May 2012	#183
You're a very silly man.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#185
Pledges are either for holding or breaking	liberal N proud	Dec 2012	#186
This message was self-deleted by its author	intaglio	Dec 2012	#187
I wish I had so much time on my hands	obamanut2012	Dec 2012	#188

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