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Response to quakerboy (Reply #76)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 03:09 PM

181. Here's one.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=794883&mesg_id=794920

There are other instances when I have disagreed with this President, but you are correct, they are few......

I can surely say that if I were President, I wouldn't necessarily approach certain issues as Pres. Obama has. But I'm not President, so I try not to act as though I have all of the solutions to the many problems that our nation faces, since I'm not sure how I would get the solution actually done....and at the end of the day, that is the key. It is very easy to list problems. Easy to list what is wrong with this country, much of it which has been around longer than this forum has been.

My feeling is that I don't need to shit on someone whose already been damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I don't believe that doing this will get us anywhere......so my good faith is not wrapped up in how many ways I can criticize the person that I consider to be on my side so much more than the other. My good faith is manifested in how hard I can fight against the Republicans and the Corporate media. That is how I choose to spend my time.

We demand that the President call out Republicans, but few here seldom do. Sure folks here call Republicans names, and such....but we don't actually "do" much to them. We usually don't call them, don't write to them....mainly because some believe that it won't help...which is a wimpy attitude; that somehow they are unreachable, so why bother? How is that courageous or tenacious, or persitent or strong? It just ain't.

Many talk about how President Obama acts often like a Republican, but we forget that many here agree with some main Republican talking points about this President like when calling him a failed leader, and so that kind of good faith only ends up smelling like a good ol' pile-on. Many here, through this forum, influence public opinion to only see flaws in this President.....and since the general public sees that we don't support him, why should they? Yes, we influence public opinion....and for those who think forums such as this doesn't do that....well, that's just not true. If we believed that we influenced nothing, we wouldn't spend time here with our pronouncements, etc....

At the end of the day, I am an optimistic-realist in reference to what the future can be, so I tend not to waste my valuable time criticizing my own (because I don't believe that it advances anything for all of us to do this, since we've already got the media, many here and everywhere else doing a fantastic job criticizing this President constantly, meaning my help isn't required), and instead, I concentrate on those who are so terrible till it hurts just to think about them back in power.

In other words, I've been here in good faith since 2003, and I have always understood that politics in this imperfect union, made up of imperfect folks, including our leaders, is going to continue to be imperfect, as it has been all along. Change is very difficult, expecially due to the environment in this country. It has always been, and always will be. Ask OWS how long they believe the changes they want will take? And whatever answer you get, understand that it might take much longer still. Protestors of the Vietnam War may have finally helped the war end, but how long did it take? one year, two years, three years. or even more? Ask the Civil Rights Movement how long they had to fight? Why would make you think that one man could do it so much faster than millions? Especially one who is criticized on everything he does all of the time?

The way that I see Democrats and Republicans in general is that their leaders represent them well, because the leaders reflect exactly what rank and file are made up of. Many want to say the President caves.....but we also show absolutely no loyalty to this President, as many of us choose to point our fingers at him more often than to point the finger elsewhere (and oftentime there is a strong case to do so)....and yet, if Pres. Obama dares to criticize rank and file Democrats, then we have a shit fit as though we must be perfect...when we surely are not. And we then hold a grudge from that day forward.

Folks have called this President oftentime enough, a wimp. But we are not any less wimpy, considering that we rarely stand up behind this President about anything he proposes, because we are too busy finding flaws in all that there is that he proposes, and whining about what we didn't get. To me, that's a wimpy stance....cause finding flaws is such an easy thing to do. It is much more difficult to support a position that one may only agree with 65%, but for so many, it's all or nothing (meaning don't get anything done, just yell and scream which takes no courage, just a disagreeable disposition--see Republicans)!

We demand that this President uses the bully pulpit, but then we mainly use our own Bully pulpit vehicle to criticize him instead of our opposition.

I understand clearly that the Democratic party is made up of very different folks. In otherwords, I don't believe that I need to prove to you that I am capable of being like you on this forum in order to show good faith. My good faith is through making donations, providing man power to my side (and understand that the ballot offers us the choices that we will have to literally live with) and not helping my enemies. That's how I operate.....because I am who I am....which is I am not you.

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