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KoKo

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:42 PM Apr 2014

Ukraine Is Not Ordering Its Jews to Register [View all]



Today, the Western press caught up with the Ukrainian rumor mill: apparently, the People's Republic of Donetsk had ordered all Jews over the age of 16 to pay a fee of $50 U.S. and register with the new "authorities," or face loss of citizenship or expulsion. This was laid out in officious-looking fliers pasted on the local synagogue. One local snapped a photo of the fliers and sent it to a friend in Israel, who then took it to the Israeli press and, voila, an international scandal: American Twitter is abuzz with it, Drudge is hawking it, and, today in Geneva, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry slammed the fliers as "grotesque."

The Donetsk Jewish community dismissed this as "a provocation," which it clearly is. "It's an obvious provocation designed to get this exact response, going all the way up to Kerry," says Fyodr Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs. "I have no doubt that there is a sizeable community of anti-Semites on both sides of the barricades, but for one of them to do something this stupid—this is done to compromise the pro-Russian groups in the east."

Why? The Russian government has been playing up the (real but small) role of fascists and neo-Nazis in the victory of the EuroMaidan in Kiev. The Ukrainian government, utterly powerless to fight off the Russians and their local stooges, have had to rely on other methods, like leaking taped phone calls of allegedly local separatists getting their commands from Moscow. This may be just another tactic to smear the so-called anti-Maidan in the east of Ukraine: you think we're fascists? Well, take a look at these guys.


Indeed, the Russian web chatter has sniffed the hand of the Dnipropetrovsk city government. (Dnipropetrovsk is another eastern Ukrainian city, but one that has been spared this chaos, in part because of the firm hand of its new regional governor, Jewish businessman Ihor Kolomoisky. One (Jewish) blogger said he received a similar looking flier from an official in the Dnipropetrovsk city administration.

On the other hand, says Vladimir Fedorin, an independent Russian journalist working in Ukraine, we shouldn't totally dismiss these fliers. "I think the fliers are fake, but the anti-Maidan crowd is a collection of the hardcore 'alternative' variety and criminals, so it's possible some of them are capable of this." To wit, there were also reports of teenagers distributing these fliers.

So, in conclusion: the Jews of Donetsk and eastern Ukraine may have been asked by a leaflet to register, but it has not been enforced nor are any Ukrainian Jews registering themselves. If that changes, I'll be all over it, but so far, you can breathe easy. No Holocaust 2.0 just yet.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117415/ukraine-not-ordering-its-jews-register
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In the meantime a neighbor of mine is getting his family out of the Ukraine nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1
Nadin...many of us wanted to get out of USA during Bush Years and others KoKo Apr 2014 #2
When the 90+ year old patriatch insists it's time to get out nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #4
I think you need to unwind for a while. Do you realize you're snapping at everyone? Raksha Apr 2014 #8
I am not snapping nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #9
clearly new to Nadine's posts Egnever Apr 2014 #10
No, I am not new to her posts by a long way. Raksha Apr 2014 #24
Nadin...I've supported you even though we've had some differences...and I wasn't KoKo Apr 2014 #11
I will not read these posts any longer nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #13
That's sad to know Nadin. I never saw you the way you are portraying yourself KoKo Apr 2014 #14
I am not putting you on ignore nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #15
Nadin...PNAC/NeoCons allied with John McCain? What MORE do you need to know? KoKo Apr 2014 #17
You said it yourself, what else do you need to know? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #18
Nadin....THEY have ALREADY COME....FOR ALL OF US GLOBALLY... KoKo Apr 2014 #19
It's your truth nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #20
I know you posted you leftynyc Apr 2014 #41
The giveaway was that Kyiv Post used the link to western media only. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #3
Get thee to the greatest malaise Apr 2014 #5
Yup because anyone not pro-Russia in the Ukraine is a facsist.. joeybee12 Apr 2014 #6
Ah yes, the New Republic...GW Bush's greatest supporter of his illegal joeybee12 Apr 2014 #7
Um... Who said Ukraine was? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #12
If true at all, it's by people using the chaos to try to turn a profit. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #16
Global Profits and Dominance are the Shadow Picture here... KoKo Apr 2014 #22
It muddies the water. SolutionisSolidarity Apr 2014 #25
That would be the goal. This all reminds me of the fake propaganda we were subjected to during the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #35
Are you denying that leftynyc Apr 2014 #42
However, there are strands of Russian society rife with anti-semitism rumdude Apr 2014 #21
There are Forces Promoting Rascism, Religious Antagonism, and Hate for Fellow People all over KoKo Apr 2014 #23
So.....what? leftynyc Apr 2014 #43
I think that's a good question, so I'll give it a try... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #52
VC...how do you feel about Victoria Nuland and other NeoCons who are promoting NeoNazi KoKo Apr 2014 #55
I haven't heard of her before, but anyone who promotes neo-nazis is bad... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #57
Thank you, VC leftynyc Apr 2014 #59
"It’s a fake flyer" (National Conference Supporting Jews) and GET ISRAEL ON BOARD! Catherina Apr 2014 #26
Shame on them, is right ..... it's horrifying that anyone would use the polly7 Apr 2014 #27
Boxer nailed it- " could well be part of a sick strategy to foment even more unrest in Ukraine" Catherina Apr 2014 #29
I can't tell you how thrilled I am leftynyc Apr 2014 #44
John Kerry, voted for war of aggression in Iraq. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #54
Can you understand that leftynyc Apr 2014 #60
We're talking past each other. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #61
This kind of shit is done because it works. 1000words Apr 2014 #28
+1000 n/t Catherina Apr 2014 #30
Thank you for all your research, Catherina. Raksha Apr 2014 #39
"Get Israel on board" is a loose conclusion on my part Catherina Apr 2014 #40
Nuland is Jewish. How is she standing next to a neo Nazi? so weird. nt alp227 Apr 2014 #56
Haaretz: " Flier calling on Donetsk Jews to register now widely seen as fake" Catherina Apr 2014 #31
Recommend your Post Background and Updates of latest revelations...... KoKo Apr 2014 #32
Thanks for starting the thread. The lie's all around the world by now Catherina Apr 2014 #34
Time: Ukraine’s ‘Jew Register’ Either a Hoax or a Crude Extortion Scheme Catherina Apr 2014 #33
Both sides of this have anti-semites taking advantage of the instability, so no, it IS happening. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #36
What is happening? 1000words Apr 2014 #37
People are just dying to believe it's fake leftynyc Apr 2014 #45
While others are hoping and praying for it to be true Scootaloo Apr 2014 #51
Letter from NCSJ. Also there are at least 3 similar leaflets Catherina Apr 2014 #38
Or perhaps leftynyc Apr 2014 #46
Haaretz - "Flier calling on Donetsk Jews to register now widely seen as fake" Catherina Apr 2014 #47
Addtl detail. The stamp on the fake announcement is former mayor's Catherina Apr 2014 #48
I had trouble reading the flyer it was so covered in yellow cake...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #49
Ukraine's Chief Rabbi: "Antisemitic flyer 'by Donetsk People's Republic' in Ukraine a hoax" Catherina Apr 2014 #50
Kerry's comments in context karynnj Apr 2014 #53
Thanks for this information! Jim Lane Apr 2014 #58
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