Reply #48

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Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:33 PM

Aerows (13,849 posts)

48. Don't even pretend that life as a white male

Isn't a sweet deal.

When you ARE part of the privileged class, it is far harder for you to understand your privilege. When you aren't, you see it clearly.

How many would choose to be female or a gay male if they could choose? How many would elect to be black? I'll answer: None, because they know they have it easy.

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199 replies	Author	Time	Post
White Men Rule [View all]	redqueen	Mar 2012	OP
Yawn	Elric	Mar 2012	#1
Sleepy?	drm604	Mar 2012	#2
Just needs some time to get up to speed....	daleanime	Mar 2012	#6
Yes. With the fish.	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2012	#178
What a well reasoned response. Thanks for participating	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#5
Simple	Elric	Mar 2012	#9
Well I'm a white male and I can tell you that White Male privilege exists.	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#13
+1	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#26
Of course you wouldn't. That's kind of the whole point.	Hugabear	Mar 2012	#34
Exactly. Well said.	Zorra	Mar 2012	#36
Well said!	Spazito	Apr 2012	#140
We often interpret a thing to better validate our own biases and prejudices.	LanternWaste	Mar 2012	#41
Who said anything about work?	Rex	Mar 2012	#55
Being white is not a privilege	siligut	Mar 2012	#73
Exactly! n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2012	#79
And they make the laws...	butterfly77	Mar 2012	#105
Clear. Concise. Succinct.	Number23	Apr 2012	#173
Perhaps you should consider ...	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2012	#78
You clearly aren't in touch with the white experience.	joshcryer	Mar 2012	#115
Then you haven't spent a minute	BlueToTheBone	Mar 2012	#123
You know what you can do?	Fawke Em	Apr 2012	#181
Wow, pulling out the old socks?	Rex	Apr 2012	#194
White privilege absolutely exists.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#24
+1. Yes, it does.	polly7	Mar 2012	#119
Really? News to me.	Darth_Kitten	Apr 2012	#182
Ofc	Dokkie	Apr 2012	#199
Yes	loyalsister	Apr 2012	#196
My dog said he heard someone whistling over here.	Iggo	Mar 2012	#59
Why do advertisers try to make us look stupid?	badtoworse	Mar 2012	#3
Advertisers make everyone look stupid. Don't buy their crap. Nothing's that necessary needs an Ad.	freshwest	Mar 2012	#18
Because maybe "we" have a sense of humor?	caseymoz	Mar 2012	#37
i cannot tell you how many men embrace the stupid tv guy as an excuse not to	seabeyond	Mar 2012	#40
I haven't heard one guy, ever,	caseymoz	Mar 2012	#112
Try? They make us look like morans.	Rex	Mar 2012	#57
Rich, w.a.s.p. men rule.	MrSlayer	Mar 2012	#4
Brilliant comment	Mosaic	Mar 2012	#27
Exactly	aspieextrodinare	Apr 2012	#198
A certain type of white men have it great.	hifiguy	Mar 2012	#7
That is part of white privilege though	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#12
At the really high-flying levels it's a class thing	hifiguy	Mar 2012	#15
I just want to make sure CLASS is not mentioned here. Totally irrelevant! nt	Romulox	Mar 2012	#8
Hmmmm. So you don't want us to talk about class? I wonder why not? n/t	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#10
I suspect Romulox was being	hifiguy	Mar 2012	#11
Indeed. As this thread begins to reveal, we don't even seem to have the vocabulary	Romulox	Mar 2012	#21
What vocabulary would we need? That we currently lack?	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#67
Read the thread. People are telling us that CEOs and Senators "prove" the extent of privilege...	Romulox	Mar 2012	#83
Hmmmm. But it is both a class and a race issue. Are you denying White Male Privilege?	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#108
I dont usually agree with Romulox, HOWEVER, if given a choice between being a	stevenleser	Mar 2012	#116
Thank you for your excellent contributions to this thread.	Romulox	Mar 2012	#117
Chris Rock would disagree	Number23	Apr 2012	#174
Im a big fan. But does he really think that or is it part of the act?	stevenleser	Apr 2012	#175
Ted Koppel did a story a few years ago where he asked several white people if they	Number23	Apr 2012	#179
We're talking past each other...	stevenleser	Apr 2012	#189
No, we're not talking past each other	Number23	Apr 2012	#193
"Money is not everything and never has been. Dignity means alot to people too."	redqueen	Apr 2012	#195
Thank you, much.	Number23	Apr 2012	#197
I knew this stuff wouldn't be obvious to everyone.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#176
Yep. It is bad. Welcome to my world	Number23	Apr 2012	#180
Sheeeeit... I've had this crap going on in my own family my whole life.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#186
Short answer to your question is no.	Romulox	Mar 2012	#118
I'm from a working/lower class background. I received my A.B. from a "Public Ivy."	amandabeech	Apr 2012	#168
Agree 100%	deutsey	Apr 2012	#190
Believe me, I hear you.	amandabeech	Apr 2012	#191
+1	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#138
I call it the repuke kindergarden blocks theory...	Javaman	Mar 2012	#14
Excuse me now...	-..__...	Mar 2012	#16
You could do that	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#19
Not as easy as laughing at your response.	-..__...	Mar 2012	#20
You're right - that is pretty easy. n/t	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#63
I imagine that a wee bit of reflection on the editorial in question	LanternWaste	Mar 2012	#42
Yeah, I'm a white male too..	Upton	Mar 2012	#69
why so many white men like me can be found whining about how tough it is to be a white man:	arcane1	Mar 2012	#17
+1!	RufusTFirefly	Mar 2012	#22
i am sad to say, a lot of us women are helping these men out. letting them off the hook and feeling	seabeyond	Mar 2012	#28
Exactly right	Aerows	Mar 2012	#45
"by almost any metric... a pretty sweet deal to start out life as a white male"	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#23
Don't even pretend that life as a white male	Aerows	Mar 2012	#48
It's more complicated than that...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#60
It depends on where you are	Aerows	Mar 2012	#64
I think privilege depends on a ton of factors...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#72
It's still class-based	jeff47	Apr 2012	#144
Being white is, in aggregate, an advantage. Being male is not.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#82
White women are sent to college? By whom?	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#139
By a ratio of 3:2, women are sent by society. Specificially, the women's educational equity program.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#147
No, it's not the definition of institutional sexism. When something is institutionalized it means	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#149
Sure it is. Laws dictating preferential treatment by gender is institutional sexism.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#162
Is teaching majority female because of affirmative action? Doubtful.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#164
It is a self-reinforcing cycle.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#165
When boys were more likely to go to college in the 40s & 50s, most primary teachers were	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#166
They are probably doing "poorly" due to their own efforts.	Darth_Kitten	Apr 2012	#184
I would think it impossible to reconcile these two views:	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#185
Class, in the economic sense, is just as big a deal	hifiguy	Mar 2012	#62
No arguments there	Aerows	Mar 2012	#66
How, in any stretch of the imagination, could someone whine 'how tough white men have it?	chrisa	Mar 2012	#128
Men should be the first in line to push the equal rights amendment.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#130
Because poor white men do have it tough.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#146
My problem with this kind of analysis...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#25
I'm guessing that the author of ths piece knows a lot of successful white guys	Nye Bevan	Mar 2012	#31
It's "blame the white guys tourettes".	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#32
I'm a white male and I don't deny I have privilege in this country...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#29
You are better than many in this thread then	Aerows	Mar 2012	#50
The impression I get...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#58
All white men are "guaranteed to get on base"?	Nye Bevan	Mar 2012	#30
Ask everyone of them	Aerows	Mar 2012	#51
Ask them if they'd rather be rich than poor...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#68
Of course there isn't just one privilege	JonLP24	Apr 2012	#161
As An African American Male, I Don't Think That All White Men Have It Easy in America	Yavin4	Mar 2012	#33
It's more a class issue than a race issue.	Nye Bevan	Mar 2012	#35
That's because even white women are at a big disadvantage to most males	Cleita	Mar 2012	#43
Bingo	Aerows	Mar 2012	#52
Measured how?	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#106
You have to ask?	Cleita	Mar 2012	#113
a) People don't get paid for "their level of education". They get paid for what they do.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#120
Really? I would love for a woman to run against my	Cleita	Mar 2012	#121
Unless that Black Kid from the two Black Attorney Parents Is Wearing A Hoodie	Yavin4	Mar 2012	#56
I agree...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#38
Being white is a clear advantage.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#39
And you are 11X more likely to be more wealthy	Aerows	Mar 2012	#54
Gibberish.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#84
Are you saying that women commit violent crimes at the same rates as men	wickerwoman	Apr 2012	#167
K&R. It's sad more people won't recognize the reality of white privilege.	BlueIris	Mar 2012	#44
Amen	Taverner	Mar 2012	#88
Why women dont run for office	ErikJ	Mar 2012	#46
Difficult to argue against the editorial as the instances of getting...	LanternWaste	Mar 2012	#47
I got a $271 speeding ticket the other day..	Upton	Mar 2012	#49
You can afford to pay it right...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#71
That's not my point..	Upton	Mar 2012	#77
That is the point...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#81
I don't live in the Bay Area anymore...	Upton	Mar 2012	#85
You really don't get it...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#93
White women are more likely to be unemployed than black women. Is that because they	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#145
I imagine the odds are greater that, all other being equal...	LanternWaste	Mar 2012	#100
Interesting. The last time I got pulled over by a cop,	MineralMan	Apr 2012	#141
For most guys, privilege does not compute.	caseymoz	Mar 2012	#53
Minorities may be at a disadvantage, but one bright side could be that	Jamaal510	Mar 2012	#61
But, If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself	ErikJ	Mar 2012	#90
I do not appreciate being marginalized	DaveJ	Mar 2012	#65
White male privilege is real...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#70
It's kind of a pity that what you refer to as "Sophisticated Character"	el_bryanto	Mar 2012	#76
I find that the white guys with the self esteem issue mentioned in the OP, are those	JoePhilly	Mar 2012	#74
Half of white men working full-time in 2007 made less than $50K. Are you saying that if they just	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#143
Don't think I said that at all .... but nice try.	JoePhilly	Apr 2012	#155
Thanks for the anecdotes, but the fact is that half of white men make less than $50K, and in the	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#156
And?	JoePhilly	Apr 2012	#157
Some white men apparently disagree, and seem to believe that they are an oppressed	Zorra	Mar 2012	#75
I suspect the author has never been married	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#80
"Stoop to conquer" is still stooping nt	Taverner	Mar 2012	#87
Actually that does touch on a real phenomenon	RZM	Mar 2012	#91
DAYUM! That's a keeper!!!	Taverner	Mar 2012	#86
As a white male...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#89
As someone who is also a white male, I think its spot on	Taverner	Mar 2012	#92
Saying that being a white male...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#94
Sure, white male privege doesn't work EVERY time, but it works enough to make a difference	Taverner	Mar 2012	#95
No doubt...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#96
Um, you're comparing apples to oranges	Taverner	Mar 2012	#98
Not at all...	MellowDem	Mar 2012	#122
Seems more accurate to say that Straight, White, Christian, Upperclass Males rule.	stevenleser	Mar 2012	#97
Nope - even poor, undereducated whites get privleges minorities don't	Taverner	Mar 2012	#99
I disagree.	stevenleser	Mar 2012	#101
Are we trying to get a taxi in NYC?	Taverner	Mar 2012	#103
Yes I am. You are aware that a poor person cannot even afford a taxi, right? nt	stevenleser	Mar 2012	#109
Doesn't matter	Taverner	Mar 2012	#110
I'm not white. nt	stevenleser	Mar 2012	#111
You are correct sir.	hifiguy	Mar 2012	#104
My dad was a white Medical doctor	ErikJ	Mar 2012	#107
Not in the area of wealth	He loved Big Brother	Apr 2012	#137
Thanks for posting that. nt	redqueen	Mar 2012	#124
Thanks for that vid.	He loved Big Brother	Apr 2012	#136
But White men have highest suicide rate	ErikJ	Mar 2012	#102
Fuck Herman Cain. n/t	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#114
Try sellin' this shit to white men in most parts of Appalachia*	didact	Mar 2012	#125
lol At "men's rights" groups. What a load of crap.	chrisa	Mar 2012	#126
I hope you saw the recent SPLC reports on those groups.	redqueen	Mar 2012	#127
I'll just imagine. I think I already know.	chrisa	Mar 2012	#129
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Liberty Tree	Mar 2012	#131
This is exactly what drives white working-class men away from the Democratic party	eek MD	Mar 2012	#132
Only certain types of white men. I wonder what drives this kind of reaction.	redqueen	Mar 2012	#133
There are many kinds of privilege. A white middle class woman about equals a poor white man	stevenleser	Mar 2012	#134
It's not about "getting it"....	eek MD	Mar 2012	#135
+1 I'd add that harping on white male privilege while the Democratic Party accedes to policies	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#148
I'd go one farther: the singular focus on race is often pushed by corporate, "New" Democrats	Romulox	Apr 2012	#151
Agreed. Not only a diversion, but a good way to keep people isolated in their own little	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#152
yup, that was my whole point in this thread	bart95	Apr 2012	#177
Fuck yes.	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#159
BS to your second paragraph	treestar	Apr 2012	#183
Of course it's not about shame or guilt	redqueen	Apr 2012	#187
Which types of men are those?	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#150
The ones who don't understand the concept of privilege,	redqueen	Apr 2012	#153
Circular.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#154
"I wonder what drives this kind of reaction"	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#158
Most who fought for worker's rights were white men	Kaleva	Apr 2012	#142
"He's a white male with hair, Lemon. The sky's the limit."	Shrek	Apr 2012	#160
Black men dominate the NBA	dmallind	Apr 2012	#163
THose NBA players were chosen by white males	uponit7771	Apr 2012	#171
Those white men chose the players who would make them the most money.	whoawhat	Apr 2012	#188
Not only white, but witty, intelligent, dashingly handsome & not bald.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#169
Not these two white men - walking in park, while being white=dead.	Zax2me	Apr 2012	#170
shhhh...nt	Skip Intro	Apr 2012	#172
This post was hidden by jury decision.	WRabbit	Apr 2012	#192

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