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In reply to the discussion: How pragmatic were the pragmatists when it came to the Iraq War and gay marriage? [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)118. Pragmatist here, and I was against the Iraq war
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How pragmatic were the pragmatists when it came to the Iraq War and gay marriage? [View all]
Bjorn Against
Apr 2014
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Actually, the pragmatists knew that if Obama supported marriage equality before the 2008 election
JoePhilly
Apr 2014
#1
I believe Pragmatists think that ripping apart Hillary Clinton and dragging...
Walk away
Apr 2014
#82
political currents changed dramatically over time. Pretending otherwise is dishonest.
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#101
Those that claim they are pragmatic are really saying they love the status quo which is killing
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#22
People who called themselves pragmatists were sure Obama could not support marriage
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2014
#24
And political currents have changed. And you darned well know it. Opposition collapsed.
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#102
The idealists fight for life, liberty and freedoms. The pragmatists groveled before George Bush
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#25
How do you know that we would have gotten nothing? With your thinking we still would be a colony of
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#32
I am on the field trying for a touchdown, it's you on the sideline content with a 20 point
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#38
Isnt the definition of pragmatism, "sitting in the stands"? My complaint isnt with the yardage
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#110
7 million out of 50 million, at a cost of a half trillion dollar per year giveaway to big insurance
Doctor_J
Apr 2014
#41
When the defense is playing to stop your ground game it is a perfect time to throw the bomb.
Ed Suspicious
Apr 2014
#43
I'm glad he got the ACA. I spend much of my day defending it against actual people
Ed Suspicious
Apr 2014
#68
I am utter, humble awe of the ass-kicking 4th and 26 you have been on this thread.
msanthrope
Apr 2014
#74
labeling someone who works in accordance with deeply held convictions as an idealist is convenient..
LanternWaste
Apr 2014
#88
It's absurd to keep pretending that Third Way Democrats have the same goals
woo me with science
Apr 2014
#12
I offer a different view. We live in a society that is heavily authoritarian influenced.
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#78
I think you are giving The Team way too much credit. Let's use indefinite detention as
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#77
You seem to be trying to rationalize what I am saying. My point is that one side does not
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#91
Third Way Democrats are re-branded Republicans. Corp leaders arent stupid.
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#76
It's absurd to think that Ideologues can have a reasonable discussion. There are so many DU'ers
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#104
They were preparing defenses for the NSA and drones. Looking "forward" donchya know?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#23
I wasnt around here back then but I find it hard to believe there were many supporting the iraq war
DCBob
Apr 2014
#31
There is a reason I have been putting the word "pragmatist" in quotes in this thread
Bjorn Against
Apr 2014
#37
it's like "Biblical literalist": just something to brandish, nothing to do with *reading* the text
MisterP
Apr 2014
#60
It was pragmatic to support the war. What other excuse could Clinton-Sachs have?
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#79
I appreciate the question and will be glad to answer it, however, we are discussing something
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#96
You might have a point if there were many (any) DUers who supported the IWR or opposed gay marriage
DanTex
Apr 2014
#83
The prevailing headwinds against gay marriage finally abated. Hence, such dramatic forward progress.
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#98