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caseymoz

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12. Not just JB. What about ALEC, who wrote it?

Mon Mar 26, 2012, 04:33 AM

Mar 2012

And the legislators who voted for it. And the NRA who campaigned for it? Prosecutors and police chiefs all over the state told them things like this would happen. They arrogantly ignored them. The governor has now a task force, just to find a way to arrest Zimmerman and put together a case given this law. Mark my word, the task force is actually assigned to look busy and procrastinate until after Election Day, because this legislative malpractice is a major scandal for the GOP and a set back for the gun lobby. The week after the election, we'll hear they have no case.

I agree with you on everything you've said on it.

The better gunrighters, the ones not like Zimmerman are now in denial that the good intentions of the law could have led to something so wrong. This law is an example of ideology undercutting intentions. It's supposed to be a way of fighting crime, not a way of bringing criminals out of the woodwork and giving them a loophole. There's a practical reason to make justifiable homicide the last resort: because if it isn't the last resort, which resort should it be? What type of person wouldn't rather run away from homicide rather than commit one, justifiable or not?

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Reuters: Man Lives to Tell of Florida 'Shoot First' Horror [View all] Hissyspit Mar 2012 OP

You've gotta be kidding me Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #1

aka legalized murder noiretextatique Mar 2012 #3

Self defense is in the eyes of the survivor Hugabear Mar 2012 #2

Well said, Hugabear. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #4

There's a hidden part of the law. caseymoz Mar 2012 #7

Thank you. That was not in the statutes I read. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #8

Not just JB. What about ALEC, who wrote it? caseymoz Mar 2012 #12

kick Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #22

Excellent comment. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #41

I'm going to keep quoting myself iverglas Mar 2012 #15

Stand Your Ground doesn't include a change in presumption. X_Digger Mar 2012 #20

I was replying to a post iverglas Mar 2012 #36

Thanks. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #40

It says the police have to have probable cause that the use of force wasn't reasonable. X_Digger Mar 2012 #19

If "standard" why is it repeated here, then? caseymoz Mar 2012 #24

It's redundant yes.. what, you think prosecution can happen without probable cause!?! X_Digger Mar 2012 #28

Yes, but once probable cause is vacated caseymoz Mar 2012 #30

Depends at what level and if jeopardy is attached. X_Digger Mar 2012 #33

I haven't even gone into the "as permitted in . . ." part. caseymoz Mar 2012 #34

(1) and (2) don't apply- those are castle doctrine -- we're not talking about.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #35

We'll see. caseymoz Mar 2012 #37

I'm optomistic, yes. X_Digger Mar 2012 #38

You have a problem here. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #44

Maybe that point isn't demonstrated. caseymoz Mar 2012 #50

A jury could find intent in some of this statements during the call. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #51

The problem is that people who think like animals and want to kill JDPriestly Mar 2012 #42

As I said in another reply, people who think like animals and want to kill.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #45

But they will have to go to court and face a jury which Zimmerman needs to do. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #47

There's nothing in the law stopping them from arresting him right now. X_Digger Mar 2012 #49

Yes. I agree, but apparently there have been few convictions JDPriestly Mar 2012 #52

But as in this situation, this law makes people like Zimmerman feel empowered JDPriestly Mar 2012 #39

People inclined to go looking for trouble aren't going to let a law get in their way. X_Digger Mar 2012 #43

No matter what he said after the shooting, he admitted in his call to 911 JDPriestly Mar 2012 #46

I agree. X_Digger Mar 2012 #48

Agreed. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #53

No CIVIL recourse either? liberalhistorian Mar 2012 #10

I'm not a lawyer, but that's my reading of it. caseymoz Mar 2012 #11

The only hope is with a federal civil rights case Major Nikon Mar 2012 #14

That's exactly what it means and it's even worse than that Major Nikon Mar 2012 #13

Actually, ALEC wrote the law. caseymoz Mar 2012 #26

Same nut, different tree Major Nikon Mar 2012 #29

sadly, they have one quasi-legal recourse allowed to them magical thyme Mar 2012 #23

Except other states have adopted photocopies of law. caseymoz Mar 2012 #31

No, the police may not arrest *anyone* without probable cause X_Digger Mar 2012 #17

The "Gunshine State".... daleanime Mar 2012 #5

And his brother was shot by police because he was threatening to commit suicide? csziggy Mar 2012 #6

How do people in other civilized countries manage to survive without reaching for weapons sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #9

What I can't understand is, why does any state feel the NEED for this kind of law? William Seger Mar 2012 #16

no, but when I lived in Massachusetts they enacted a law magical thyme Mar 2012 #25

Arguments used to end with fistfights. Now they end with dead bodies. mainer Mar 2012 #18

This is the world that Republicans have created for us. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #21

To think this is 2012 and we are going backwards goclark Mar 2012 #27

Your last sentence says it all. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #32