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In the discussion thread: Cheney Followed the UNOS Rules. Stop the Insanity Please. [View all]

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Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:03 PM

cherokeeprogressive (15,325 posts)

137. "By almost of the world's rules," one must be tried and convicted before sentence is passed.

I have to go with nadin's thoughts here.

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209 replies	Author	Time	Post
Cheney Followed the UNOS Rules. Stop the Insanity Please. [View all]	K Gardner	Mar 2012	OP
True, that. But I sure wouldn't want MY heart going to that creep	mainer	Mar 2012	#1
I know how you feel	obey	Mar 2012	#12
+1 LOL (nt)	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#15
It's not a question of him GETTING a new heart it's a question of who ISN'T getting one b/c of him.	FarLeftFist	Mar 2012	#83
He was on a waiting list like everyone else.	Muskypundit	Mar 2012	#165
This is one of DU's strengths trumping one of its weaknesses	RZM	Mar 2012	#2
Very good point! I join in your gratitude for the expertise of the OP. (n/t)	Jim Lane	Mar 2012	#116
It's difficult to be rational with this monster	tech_smythe	Mar 2012	#172
Uhhh . . .	RZM	Mar 2012	#173
Look at the cheney's career...	tech_smythe	Mar 2012	#206
I don't want to continue, because I don't feel like wasting the energy	RZM	Mar 2012	#208
I'll concede the point	tech_smythe	Mar 2012	#209
I don't think war criminals/war-profiteers deserve new hearts.	Old and In the Way	Mar 2012	#3
K&R...	stonecutter357	Mar 2012	#54
recommended n/t	ruggerson	Mar 2012	#4
You of course are free to believe whatever you want to.	Rex	Mar 2012	#5
I have no problem with criminals being treated medically as humanely as anyone else. In fact I	sabrina 1	Mar 2012	#6
+1	eShirl	Mar 2012	#8
I do have a post in my Way Back Journal here about the need for	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#14
You made me think. Do I hate or not.	rhett o rick	Mar 2012	#7
I, too, would like to see him at the Hague. Agreed. nt	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#36
If Cheney were in prison where he belongs he wouldn't have been on that list.	obxhead	Mar 2012	#9
Actually, you are wrong	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#18
Prisoners may be able to receive heart transplants...	PoliticAverse	Mar 2012	#21
Correct. n/t	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#25
I stand corrected.	obxhead	Mar 2012	#29
We don't see those words often enough on DU.	randome	Mar 2012	#34
But how many have?	Ikonoklast	Mar 2012	#155
This message was self-deleted by its author	rtassi	Mar 2012	#154
K&R - great post!!	LiberalLoner	Mar 2012	#10
Excellent post! K&R	rustydog	Mar 2012	#11
Nicely put. n/t	greytdemocrat	Mar 2012	#13
I am not a hater nor do I believe in capital punishment	larkrake	Mar 2012	#16
And exactly how do you explain this	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#20
71 years old is NOT average. he has never followed the law and never would	larkrake	Mar 2012	#150
Sorry buster but older people are now getting transplants	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#152
Then you need to provide proof that while waiting 20 months for a	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#27
This message was self-deleted by its author	Obamanaut	Mar 2012	#55
he's still lucky	tooeyeten	Mar 2012	#17
I totally agree. And maybe he SHOULD be the poster boy for Universal	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#30
absolutely agree! n/t	tooeyeten	Mar 2012	#125
Thank you for a clarifying post.	hedgehog	Mar 2012	#19
And proximity	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#22
+1 - this is something very few understand about the UNOS lists. nt	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#28
Which means that a person with means, particularly	COLGATE4	Mar 2012	#63
There is only one list. 'Local lists' and such are just part of the larger list.	Bluenorthwest	Mar 2012	#79
There is one national list	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#91
And like you I am flabbergasted by the conspiracy theories.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#23
True, but the venting will die down here really fast.	gulliver	Mar 2012	#24
I think he is an enemy of humanity, maybe an actual human heart will improve	TheKentuckian	Mar 2012	#26
Hey!!	greytdemocrat	Mar 2012	#33
Excellent post and I agree.	cbayer	Mar 2012	#31
Model the civility you want to read, thanks. n/t	EFerrari	Mar 2012	#32
Bull. After the lies Cheney laid on Americans, he deserves NOTHING from America. He does not	valerief	Mar 2012	#35
Then you advocate Death Panels. And who will be the Decider on who lives	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#38
I see you are all for death pannels then.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#39
He should be in prison and have to wait in the prison queue. I'd personally rather see him dead.	valerief	Mar 2012	#47
Then you are for death PANNELS	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#48
What is a pannel? nt	valerief	Mar 2012	#50
Where you get to decide who is worthy of getting	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#52
I'm not going to be boxed into answering a question with terms framed by the RW.	valerief	Mar 2012	#56
Separate from medical care	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#57
Guess I'm a hater. I'm okay with that. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2012	#37
That language was incendiary on my part, you're right. I removed it	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#40
Seems clear to me - We love death panels ...	oldhippie	Mar 2012	#41
+1. Perfectly stated. We end up validating their irrational fears. n/t	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#44
+1 (n/t)	a2liberal	Mar 2012	#72
Ok calm down everybody please!	DippyDem	Mar 2012	#42
THANK YOU.	cali	Mar 2012	#43
War criminals deserve prison. Period.	James48	Mar 2012	#45
You can hold all the opinions you want about any person in the world -	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#49
Well thank goodness then that the OP didnt say they believed Cheney shouldnt be in prison then.	cstanleytech	Mar 2012	#67
Cheney should be incacerated as war criminal or for commiting treason but has never come to pass.	gordianot	Mar 2012	#46
"Should" is much different	Mz Pip	Mar 2012	#65
I Will Admit to Some Skepticism About How a "Donor" Was Obtained	AndyTiedye	Mar 2012	#51
The system is blind.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#53
Imported from China? n/t	backscatter712	Mar 2012	#149
The oppressor within turns people into what they hate. nt	patrice	Mar 2012	#58
This post was hidden by jury decision.	stonecutter357	Mar 2012	#59
Many thanks.	JohnnyLib2	Mar 2012	#60
Thanks, K Gardner.	JDPriestly	Mar 2012	#61
YW, JD. I agree I don't want to see Dems fall to the level of those	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#62
yes, we should continue to wish well on those trying to destroy us	Doctor_J	Mar 2012	#144
Are you an actual md?	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#156
Sorry Doc	Botany	Mar 2012	#64
Bought one from China? Are those available for immediate transport? Wow. And if he were going to	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#68
Flight time woud not remain viable.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#73
Gullible much. If you think he did not pull any striongs you must not have paid attention to the...	Logical	Mar 2012	#66
So, per your "theory", he allowed himself to be placed on a mechanical	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#70
How do you know he had four months to live? Based on what?	Logical	Mar 2012	#75
The longest anyone has ever survived with an LVAD is two years. He'd	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#77
So others have went 24 months and not got a transplant?? Doesn;t that prove my point.	Logical	Mar 2012	#80
Hmm no. There are less organs than recipients	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#85
My point is the "match" part is how he got an advantage. You are gullible.	Logical	Mar 2012	#89
If gullible means understanding	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#92
I have enjoyed yours the last few weeks! Thanks!	Logical	Mar 2012	#97
I am sure you have	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#98
I am the least conspiracy person here. But thinking a former VP gets better chances, even if just...	Logical	Mar 2012	#100
Since the team got	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#103
LOL...ok. I guess I am wrong.	Logical	Mar 2012	#104
Yes, you are wrong	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#106
Justice is blind also? And Pharma studies? And FDA decisions? Wow, wish I lived in your world!	Logical	Mar 2012	#107
Your world is easier for you since it allows you to believe what you want	onenote	Mar 2012	#108
Answer my question. Double blind Pharma drug studies? You 100% trust them also?	Logical	Mar 2012	#109
I posted in the photography forum a photo	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#110
No, those are not. So quit trying to change the topic. No one else in the country...	Logical	Mar 2012	#111
According to NIH tey are far more regular	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#112
Not at all. I love your fantasy world. Must be easy to live in. Calm, no thinking required! Nice!	Logical	Mar 2012	#114
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-heart-transplant/story?id=15998479	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#113
I have not doubt people are looking at this close. I hope they are not as naive as you.	Logical	Mar 2012	#115
May you never need to avail yourself of the same advanced	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#117
Routine if you can get one. That is what we are debating. Not the ease of doing it. get it??	Logical	Mar 2012	#119
And you have the same chance	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#120
If you think the FDA has no flaws then work in big pharma a couple of decades. Eye opener. I wish...	Logical	Mar 2012	#122
They have problems	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#123
WTF is wrong with you? Please post the quote where I said anything close to that? I will wait.	Logical	Mar 2012	#124
You have been arguing with zero evidence	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#126
OK, then you lied about my FDA stand. Glad you admit it. Done with you. Dream away!	Logical	Mar 2012	#127
I admit nothing	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#128
No, I asked if you trusted every double blind study and every FDA decision. So you did lie. You...	Logical	Mar 2012	#129
Hilarious	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#131
I'll stop kicking your ass on this thread. You are taking a beating in plenty of others. Bye Bye!!	Logical	Mar 2012	#132
You are?	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#133
Nadin..just ignore him. You know what you're talking about, he	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#138
You can be certain he had an advantage.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#200
Funniest post ever! Yeah, an ass got kicked on this thread, but it wasn't nadin's.	11 Bravo	Mar 2012	#146
You know, you really should consider changing your DU Moniker.	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#93
Wow, that is clever!	Logical	Mar 2012	#95
You really should determine	Aerows	Mar 2012	#99
I'm writing in support of the Organ Transplant Association, UNOS.. not	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#101
Sorry but here we are just talking of a transplant system	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#102
Bravo. n/t	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#105
Damn! He was likely a few months away from death?	Webster Green	Mar 2012	#166
"The longest anyone has ever survived with an LVAD is two years"	Contrary1	Mar 2012	#174
And how exactly did he pull strings	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#71
K&R (n/t)	a2liberal	Mar 2012	#69
He is a human, despite all appearances. Where's the compassion.	Gregorian	Mar 2012	#74
after reading this discussion i can see why it`s not left up to the moralist`s to decide..	madrchsod	Mar 2012	#76
+1	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#78
Thank you. Unfortunately, willful ignorance has become too common on DU	onenote	Mar 2012	#81
Cheney is an asshole	Aerows	Mar 2012	#82
No one said it was a victory. The post is simply refuting the bizarre	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#84
Cheney is likely the worst human being to walk the face of the earth	Aerows	Mar 2012	#87
Not to dredge up an even more ancient past, but Cheney availed himself	coalition_unwilling	Mar 2012	#141
Well	grantcart	Mar 2012	#86
Have to agree with your last line :-)	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#88
Yes Kharma can be a bitch, another technical question	grantcart	Mar 2012	#94
I admit that I am not knowledgeable about the transplant	BlueMTexpat	Mar 2012	#90
You're quoting from two hospitals websites and criteria.	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#96
Fine. I realize that there are different guidelines. And that's fine.	BlueMTexpat	Mar 2012	#203
Following petty rules to a bizarre extreme, with no comprehension of a bigger picture, IS insanity.	saras	Mar 2012	#118
Ethics fail	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#121
"By almost of the world's rules," one must be tried and convicted before sentence is passed.	cherokeeprogressive	Mar 2012	#137
Besides Cheney might be nicer person now that he has heart! ;-)	on point	Mar 2012	#130
He, he himself, might carve the roast beast.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#135
Waste of a good heart	secondvariety	Mar 2012	#134
Yes! Love Your Captors, Don't Hate Them!	mckara	Mar 2012	#136
Prove to me the matching team	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#139
Another obvious case of someone not reading the post.	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#140
Look at Your Opening Statement...	mckara	Mar 2012	#205
So this war criminal followed the rules...for once...	joeybee12	Mar 2012	#142
Heh. Using ABC (the All Bush Channel) for reference	Doctor_J	Mar 2012	#143
Another person who either didn't read the post or can't comprehend the content.	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#162
He may not have manipulated UNOS,	JEB	Mar 2012	#145
Sorry but as a former medical provider	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#153
If only	JEB	Mar 2012	#157
And that is where the irony comes with Dick	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#158
I do understand what you are saying and if I did not have to check my	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#164
Party pooper!	progressoid	Mar 2012	#147
I hope he got	JEB	Mar 2012	#148
LOL.. well, I'm with you on that one ! I don't think there is a statute of limitations on war crimes	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#159
None	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#161
K&R	DeSwiss	Mar 2012	#151
One of my all time favorite quotes. Thanks for posting it. n/t	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#160
There are lots of people in this thread	nobodyspecial	Mar 2012	#163
It's not my fault Cheney had a horrible heart. However, he was not a good man...	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2012	#167
This was an OP about how organ transplant lists work. Not about whether a person	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#168
I realize that. Regardless of the process (which sounds good on paper, but where there's $$$$, it	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2012	#169
So let me get this right...	1620rock	Mar 2012	#170
The Donald could travel internationally to a country where organ buying is perfectly legal.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#177
Do you actually think that anyone would arrest Cheney outside the US?	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#188
Yes, I do think Cheney would be subject to possible arrest outside the US.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#190
Granted, that was Switzerland	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#193
Thank you!	snot	Mar 2012	#171
Thank you to the OP for posting that information. I have to admit, the thought crossed my mind to	IndyJones	Mar 2012	#175
There's really nothing that isn't influenced by money. From getting a table at a restaurant is	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2012	#196
I have a VERY HARD time believing that a man who	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#176
He would have to if he wanted the best medical experts in the US on his transplant team.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#178
You don't think that as a former cough vice president,	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#179
Of course he has access to the best medical experts.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#181
He has access to the best medical experts without having to wait	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#182
Forget Cheney's character, you are accusing his doctors of corruption.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#183
I made no such accusation	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#186
How exactly could he game the system with all other parties remaining innocent?	eShirl	Mar 2012	#187
He has gamed the system before	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#189
Yes, absolutely.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#191
And yet, no one paid for that crime	Art_from_Ark	Mar 2012	#194
Correct.	eShirl	Mar 2012	#198
also, standing in a long line is EXACTLY what happened	eShirl	Mar 2012	#184
Amen	Doctor_J	Mar 2012	#192
And yet, he did. If you'll take the time to read the numerous articles that go back TWO YEARS	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#201
Fact - he did wait 20 months.	emilyg	Mar 2012	#204
You're pretty much on the same page as I am on this...	MrMickeysMom	Mar 2012	#180
As a gay man	behrstar	Mar 2012	#185
Yes, like it or not . . .	Brigid	Mar 2012	#195
There are few people I despise more	cheneyschernobyl	Mar 2012	#197
With friends like this, you get what you need.	CrispyQ	Mar 2012	#199
fuck dick cheney in his ear	datasuspect	Mar 2012	#202
I agree with you 100%- I have cared for both donors and recipients	w8liftinglady	Mar 2012	#207

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