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Logical

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100. I am the least conspiracy person here. But thinking a former VP gets better chances, even if just...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:10 PM
Mar 2012

a little better is not crazy. Thinking there was NO favorable treatment is less practical.

True, that. But I sure wouldn't want MY heart going to that creep mainer Mar 2012 #1
I know how you feel obey Mar 2012 #12
+1 LOL (nt) K Gardner Mar 2012 #15
It's not a question of him GETTING a new heart it's a question of who ISN'T getting one b/c of him. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #83
He was on a waiting list like everyone else. Muskypundit Mar 2012 #165
This is one of DU's strengths trumping one of its weaknesses RZM Mar 2012 #2
Very good point! I join in your gratitude for the expertise of the OP. (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2012 #116
It's difficult to be rational with this monster tech_smythe Mar 2012 #172
Uhhh . . . RZM Mar 2012 #173
Look at the cheney's career... tech_smythe Mar 2012 #206
I don't want to continue, because I don't feel like wasting the energy RZM Mar 2012 #208
I'll concede the point tech_smythe Mar 2012 #209
I don't think war criminals/war-profiteers deserve new hearts. Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #3
K&R... stonecutter357 Mar 2012 #54
recommended n/t ruggerson Mar 2012 #4
You of course are free to believe whatever you want to. Rex Mar 2012 #5
I have no problem with criminals being treated medically as humanely as anyone else. In fact I sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #6
+1 eShirl Mar 2012 #8
I do have a post in my Way Back Journal here about the need for K Gardner Mar 2012 #14
You made me think. Do I hate or not. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #7
I, too, would like to see him at the Hague. Agreed. nt K Gardner Mar 2012 #36
If Cheney were in prison where he belongs he wouldn't have been on that list. obxhead Mar 2012 #9
Actually, you are wrong nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #18
Prisoners may be able to receive heart transplants... PoliticAverse Mar 2012 #21
Correct. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #25
I stand corrected. obxhead Mar 2012 #29
We don't see those words often enough on DU. randome Mar 2012 #34
But how many have? Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #155
This message was self-deleted by its author rtassi Mar 2012 #154
K&R - great post!! LiberalLoner Mar 2012 #10
Excellent post! K&R rustydog Mar 2012 #11
Nicely put. n/t greytdemocrat Mar 2012 #13
I am not a hater nor do I believe in capital punishment larkrake Mar 2012 #16
And exactly how do you explain this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #20
71 years old is NOT average. he has never followed the law and never would larkrake Mar 2012 #150
Sorry buster but older people are now getting transplants nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #152
Then you need to provide proof that while waiting 20 months for a K Gardner Mar 2012 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Mar 2012 #55
he's still lucky tooeyeten Mar 2012 #17
I totally agree. And maybe he SHOULD be the poster boy for Universal K Gardner Mar 2012 #30
absolutely agree! n/t tooeyeten Mar 2012 #125
Thank you for a clarifying post. hedgehog Mar 2012 #19
And proximity nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #22
+1 - this is something very few understand about the UNOS lists. nt K Gardner Mar 2012 #28
Which means that a person with means, particularly COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #63
There is only one list. 'Local lists' and such are just part of the larger list. Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #79
There is one national list nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #91
And like you I am flabbergasted by the conspiracy theories. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #23
True, but the venting will die down here really fast. gulliver Mar 2012 #24
I think he is an enemy of humanity, maybe an actual human heart will improve TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #26
Hey!! greytdemocrat Mar 2012 #33
Excellent post and I agree. cbayer Mar 2012 #31
Model the civility you want to read, thanks. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #32
Bull. After the lies Cheney laid on Americans, he deserves NOTHING from America. He does not valerief Mar 2012 #35
Then you advocate Death Panels. And who will be the Decider on who lives K Gardner Mar 2012 #38
I see you are all for death pannels then. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #39
He should be in prison and have to wait in the prison queue. I'd personally rather see him dead. valerief Mar 2012 #47
Then you are for death PANNELS nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #48
What is a pannel? nt valerief Mar 2012 #50
Where you get to decide who is worthy of getting nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #52
I'm not going to be boxed into answering a question with terms framed by the RW. valerief Mar 2012 #56
Separate from medical care nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #57
Guess I'm a hater. I'm okay with that. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #37
That language was incendiary on my part, you're right. I removed it K Gardner Mar 2012 #40
Seems clear to me - We love death panels ... oldhippie Mar 2012 #41
+1. Perfectly stated. We end up validating their irrational fears. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #44
+1 (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #72
Ok calm down everybody please! DippyDem Mar 2012 #42
THANK YOU. cali Mar 2012 #43
War criminals deserve prison. Period. James48 Mar 2012 #45
You can hold all the opinions you want about any person in the world - K Gardner Mar 2012 #49
Well thank goodness then that the OP didnt say they believed Cheney shouldnt be in prison then. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #67
Cheney should be incacerated as war criminal or for commiting treason but has never come to pass. gordianot Mar 2012 #46
"Should" is much different Mz Pip Mar 2012 #65
I Will Admit to Some Skepticism About How a "Donor" Was Obtained AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #51
The system is blind. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #53
Imported from China? n/t backscatter712 Mar 2012 #149
The oppressor within turns people into what they hate. nt patrice Mar 2012 #58
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #59
Many thanks. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2012 #60
Thanks, K Gardner. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #61
YW, JD. I agree I don't want to see Dems fall to the level of those K Gardner Mar 2012 #62
yes, we should continue to wish well on those trying to destroy us Doctor_J Mar 2012 #144
Are you an actual md? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #156
Sorry Doc Botany Mar 2012 #64
Bought one from China? Are those available for immediate transport? Wow. And if he were going to K Gardner Mar 2012 #68
Flight time woud not remain viable. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #73
Gullible much. If you think he did not pull any striongs you must not have paid attention to the... Logical Mar 2012 #66
So, per your "theory", he allowed himself to be placed on a mechanical K Gardner Mar 2012 #70
How do you know he had four months to live? Based on what? Logical Mar 2012 #75
The longest anyone has ever survived with an LVAD is two years. He'd K Gardner Mar 2012 #77
So others have went 24 months and not got a transplant?? Doesn;t that prove my point. Logical Mar 2012 #80
Hmm no. There are less organs than recipients nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #85
My point is the "match" part is how he got an advantage. You are gullible. Logical Mar 2012 #89
If gullible means understanding nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #92
I have enjoyed yours the last few weeks! Thanks! Logical Mar 2012 #97
I am sure you have nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #98
I am the least conspiracy person here. But thinking a former VP gets better chances, even if just... Logical Mar 2012 #100
Since the team got nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #103
LOL...ok. I guess I am wrong. Logical Mar 2012 #104
Yes, you are wrong nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #106
Justice is blind also? And Pharma studies? And FDA decisions? Wow, wish I lived in your world! Logical Mar 2012 #107
Your world is easier for you since it allows you to believe what you want onenote Mar 2012 #108
Answer my question. Double blind Pharma drug studies? You 100% trust them also? Logical Mar 2012 #109
I posted in the photography forum a photo nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #110
No, those are not. So quit trying to change the topic. No one else in the country... Logical Mar 2012 #111
According to NIH tey are far more regular nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #112
Not at all. I love your fantasy world. Must be easy to live in. Calm, no thinking required! Nice! Logical Mar 2012 #114
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-heart-transplant/story?id=15998479 K Gardner Mar 2012 #113
I have not doubt people are looking at this close. I hope they are not as naive as you. Logical Mar 2012 #115
May you never need to avail yourself of the same advanced nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #117
Routine if you can get one. That is what we are debating. Not the ease of doing it. get it?? Logical Mar 2012 #119
And you have the same chance nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #120
If you think the FDA has no flaws then work in big pharma a couple of decades. Eye opener. I wish... Logical Mar 2012 #122
They have problems nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #123
WTF is wrong with you? Please post the quote where I said anything close to that? I will wait. Logical Mar 2012 #124
You have been arguing with zero evidence nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #126
OK, then you lied about my FDA stand. Glad you admit it. Done with you. Dream away! Logical Mar 2012 #127
I admit nothing nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #128
No, I asked if you trusted every double blind study and every FDA decision. So you did lie. You... Logical Mar 2012 #129
Hilarious nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #131
I'll stop kicking your ass on this thread. You are taking a beating in plenty of others. Bye Bye!! Logical Mar 2012 #132
You are? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #133
Nadin..just ignore him. You know what you're talking about, he K Gardner Mar 2012 #138
You can be certain he had an advantage. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #200
Funniest post ever! Yeah, an ass got kicked on this thread, but it wasn't nadin's. 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #146
You know, you really should consider changing your DU Moniker. K Gardner Mar 2012 #93
Wow, that is clever! Logical Mar 2012 #95
You really should determine Aerows Mar 2012 #99
I'm writing in support of the Organ Transplant Association, UNOS.. not K Gardner Mar 2012 #101
Sorry but here we are just talking of a transplant system nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #102
Bravo. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #105
Damn! He was likely a few months away from death? Webster Green Mar 2012 #166
"The longest anyone has ever survived with an LVAD is two years" Contrary1 Mar 2012 #174
And how exactly did he pull strings nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #71
K&R (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #69
He is a human, despite all appearances. Where's the compassion. Gregorian Mar 2012 #74
after reading this discussion i can see why it`s not left up to the moralist`s to decide.. madrchsod Mar 2012 #76
+1 K Gardner Mar 2012 #78
Thank you. Unfortunately, willful ignorance has become too common on DU onenote Mar 2012 #81
Cheney is an asshole Aerows Mar 2012 #82
No one said it was a victory. The post is simply refuting the bizarre K Gardner Mar 2012 #84
Cheney is likely the worst human being to walk the face of the earth Aerows Mar 2012 #87
Not to dredge up an even more ancient past, but Cheney availed himself coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #141
Well grantcart Mar 2012 #86
Have to agree with your last line :-) K Gardner Mar 2012 #88
Yes Kharma can be a bitch, another technical question grantcart Mar 2012 #94
I admit that I am not knowledgeable about the transplant BlueMTexpat Mar 2012 #90
You're quoting from two hospitals websites and criteria. K Gardner Mar 2012 #96
Fine. I realize that there are different guidelines. And that's fine. BlueMTexpat Mar 2012 #203
Following petty rules to a bizarre extreme, with no comprehension of a bigger picture, IS insanity. saras Mar 2012 #118
Ethics fail nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #121
"By almost of the world's rules," one must be tried and convicted before sentence is passed. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #137
Besides Cheney might be nicer person now that he has heart! ;-) on point Mar 2012 #130
He, he himself, might carve the roast beast. eShirl Mar 2012 #135
Waste of a good heart secondvariety Mar 2012 #134
Yes! Love Your Captors, Don't Hate Them! mckara Mar 2012 #136
Prove to me the matching team nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #139
Another obvious case of someone not reading the post. K Gardner Mar 2012 #140
Look at Your Opening Statement... mckara Mar 2012 #205
So this war criminal followed the rules...for once... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #142
Heh. Using ABC (the All Bush Channel) for reference Doctor_J Mar 2012 #143
Another person who either didn't read the post or can't comprehend the content. K Gardner Mar 2012 #162
He may not have manipulated UNOS, JEB Mar 2012 #145
Sorry but as a former medical provider nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #153
If only JEB Mar 2012 #157
And that is where the irony comes with Dick nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #158
I do understand what you are saying and if I did not have to check my K Gardner Mar 2012 #164
Party pooper! progressoid Mar 2012 #147
I hope he got JEB Mar 2012 #148
LOL.. well, I'm with you on that one ! I don't think there is a statute of limitations on war crimes K Gardner Mar 2012 #159
None nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #161
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2012 #151
One of my all time favorite quotes. Thanks for posting it. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #160
There are lots of people in this thread nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #163
It's not my fault Cheney had a horrible heart. However, he was not a good man... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #167
This was an OP about how organ transplant lists work. Not about whether a person K Gardner Mar 2012 #168
I realize that. Regardless of the process (which sounds good on paper, but where there's $$$$, it Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #169
So let me get this right... 1620rock Mar 2012 #170
The Donald could travel internationally to a country where organ buying is perfectly legal. eShirl Mar 2012 #177
Do you actually think that anyone would arrest Cheney outside the US? Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #188
Yes, I do think Cheney would be subject to possible arrest outside the US. eShirl Mar 2012 #190
Granted, that was Switzerland Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #193
Thank you! snot Mar 2012 #171
Thank you to the OP for posting that information. I have to admit, the thought crossed my mind to IndyJones Mar 2012 #175
There's really nothing that isn't influenced by money. From getting a table at a restaurant is Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #196
I have a VERY HARD time believing that a man who Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #176
He would have to if he wanted the best medical experts in the US on his transplant team. eShirl Mar 2012 #178
You don't think that as a former *cough* vice president, Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #179
Of course he has access to the best medical experts. eShirl Mar 2012 #181
He has access to the best medical experts *without having to wait* Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #182
Forget Cheney's character, you are accusing his doctors of corruption. eShirl Mar 2012 #183
I made no such accusation Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #186
How exactly could he game the system with all other parties remaining innocent? eShirl Mar 2012 #187
He has gamed the system before Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #189
Yes, absolutely. eShirl Mar 2012 #191
And yet, no one paid for that crime Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #194
Correct. eShirl Mar 2012 #198
also, standing in a long line is EXACTLY what happened eShirl Mar 2012 #184
Amen Doctor_J Mar 2012 #192
And yet, he did. If you'll take the time to read the numerous articles that go back TWO YEARS K Gardner Mar 2012 #201
Fact - he did wait 20 months. emilyg Mar 2012 #204
You're pretty much on the same page as I am on this... MrMickeysMom Mar 2012 #180
As a gay man behrstar Mar 2012 #185
Yes, like it or not . . . Brigid Mar 2012 #195
There are few people I despise more cheneyschernobyl Mar 2012 #197
With friends like this, you get what you need. CrispyQ Mar 2012 #199
fuck dick cheney in his ear datasuspect Mar 2012 #202
I agree with you 100%- I have cared for both donors and recipients w8liftinglady Mar 2012 #207
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