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TheKentuckian

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62. The entire scheme was cooked up from the root to prevent Single Payer or a NHS, or a public utility
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:46 PM
Mar 2012

type set up.

In fact the design has always been intended to even prevent any serious effort at even market based reform.

I wish folks would stop pretending this isn't a decades old right wing concept to maintain existing profit centers, regulatory ineptitude, and increase the level of corporate capture of government.

We were closer to the collapse of the present system without this silly ass law but some fucking rocket scientists have convinced themselves that propping up the predatory cartel and increasing their long term viability via a key to the Federal Treasury and mandated customers will magically usher in single payer.

THE DOTS DO NOT FUCKING CONNECT!!!

You and others are arguing a weak and emotion fueled case that makes no logical sense.

You have been hearded by a handful of pay to play features that would go without saying anywhere in the developed world at a fraction of the expense.

My town had a little music store that sold instruments and gave lessons - hedgehog Mar 2012 #1
My town had a little music store, too spinbaby Mar 2012 #15
Our town did too..most towns did SoCalDem Mar 2012 #22
They supported an owner operator comfortably, but they have now been hedgehog Mar 2012 #25
Every one has to pay for the basics.... daleanime Mar 2012 #2
Agreed. mmonk Mar 2012 #3
The absolute truth. Safetykitten Mar 2012 #4
K&R. Yes, this is self-evident to thinking people. closeupready Mar 2012 #5
This long-time healthcare worker agrees. Scuba Mar 2012 #6
That is it, in one. hifiguy Mar 2012 #7
YES. What people forget and what Obama and Dems have NOT repeated often enough, wiggs Mar 2012 #8
The GOP will bring single payer zipplewrath Mar 2012 #68
Agree. Medicare for everyone is pro small business policy Strelnikov_ Mar 2012 #9
This is exactly what I tell people Tumbulu Mar 2012 #10
Socialism is sanity, capitalism is insanity. That simple. xtraxritical Mar 2012 #35
I agree that health costs burden entrepreneurs, businessmen, and employees HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #11
Same with bankruptsy. Noone in their right mind will risk it. WingDinger Mar 2012 #12
Some realize this and then still turn around and invest in it. raouldukelives Mar 2012 #13
I completely agree usrname Mar 2012 #14
What you said. n/t antigop Mar 2012 #16
However its done would be better than what we have now HoosierCowboy Mar 2012 #17
A lot of big corps agree - car companies have cited it as a reason for moving plants to Canada Lucy Goosey Mar 2012 #18
And we won't have it until we free the US from Hate Radio and Fox "News" Doctor_J Mar 2012 #19
Me too! I'm glad that the next generation of my family has the language skills and... Walk away Mar 2012 #47
Especially for people who have jobs that can be done from anyplace with a computer hook up SoCalDem Mar 2012 #49
I have a friend who lives in Ireland who is an assistant to a... Walk away Mar 2012 #53
Yes. The USA economy has a giant tapeworm in its gut. hunter Mar 2012 #20
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #21
Absolutely. You can only be an entrepreneur if you are healthy or have a spouse with health Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #23
Too bad our government thinks it's "off the table" just1voice Mar 2012 #24
100% Agreed, encourages business. See this story about Norway. freshwest Mar 2012 #26
Been there. Had to give it up. ThoughtCriminal Mar 2012 #27
Small business owner, here, and that is my most worrisome expense. 20% yearly rate hikes. SUCKS. byronius Mar 2012 #28
For a while, the Pittsburgh Technology Council filled this need... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #29
and mandating people buy 'insurance' isn't gonna help one damn bit. KG Mar 2012 #30
While "mandating people (to) buy insurance" dotymed Mar 2012 #60
yup.., too many people get "confused" by accessible v affordable SoCalDem Mar 2012 #61
K&R (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #31
I hadn't thought of that, you are right. Stan Smith Mar 2012 #32
Employers would not be able to hold people hostage though, and people would be free SoCalDem Mar 2012 #36
yep. healthcare for all would be the greatest thing that ever happened for small businesses limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #33
Big business loves anything that keeps empolyees insecure. USA USA USA xtraxritical Mar 2012 #37
That's exactly it. Make people fear for their lives. hunter Mar 2012 #52
I know more people who stay in jobs that they hate for the health insurance... Walk away Mar 2012 #46
My husband was thinking about starting his own architecture firm in 1973 SoCalDem Mar 2012 #51
What a nightmare! Only in America and 3rd world countries are people punished for being ill. Walk away Mar 2012 #54
ha! Iris Mar 2012 #34
Exactly. Single payer fosters, not diminishes, freedom. Beartracks Mar 2012 #38
Commie. Bette Noir Mar 2012 #39
You have my VOTE! nt Walk away Mar 2012 #45
K&R SunSeeker Mar 2012 #40
Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2012 #41
Health Care Crisis Global Teach-In Mar 2012 #42
K & R, couldn't agree more! nt mother earth Mar 2012 #43
I am a small business owner and health insurance is now my largest single expense. Walk away Mar 2012 #44
The entire scheme was cooked up from the root to prevent Single Payer or a NHS, or a public utility TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #62
So we are all supposed to grin and bear it as we die from pre-existing conditions until.... Walk away Mar 2012 #64
And if we did have single payer catrose Mar 2012 #48
K&R!! G_j Mar 2012 #50
An important point that is missed in this discussion; jonthebru Mar 2012 #55
knr nt slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #56
BIG K&R!!! shireen Mar 2012 #57
That is all very true, but realize this Duer 157099 Mar 2012 #58
another way the dinosaurs and monopolizers reduce competition certainot Mar 2012 #59
i knew that in 1980`s when my wife and i had a business madrchsod Mar 2012 #63
The fact is, I would have never started my business if... Bonhomme Richard Mar 2012 #65
I've been saying this for years. yardwork Mar 2012 #66
K&R Eyerish Mar 2012 #67
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