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ellisonz

(27,709 posts)
138. You really don't help your argument...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:52 PM
Mar 2012

...when you assume that the other person doesn't understand the concepts involved.

I'd like to see this guy grilled in a court room.

I thought Castle Doctrine only applied if the intruder was IN your house auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #1
It was an enclosed porch I think.... Little Star Mar 2012 #2
Twice I have chased intruders from my home. I have never had to fire a shot. Just hearing a rifle appleannie1 Mar 2012 #3
I once heard a personal safety expert say -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #4
It is more common in defensive gun usages for no shots to be fired... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #5
He was drugged up. Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #141
moreover, in the event you do need to discharge your shotgun.. frylock Mar 2012 #7
Depend what you stoke it with .... BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #34
I worked in a PD for 15 years. Most burglars are not armed and more homeowners are shot with their appleannie1 Mar 2012 #11
That's the best weapon for home defense, but a dog is the best thing. Incitatus Mar 2012 #43
it is a universally known sound somehow ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #15
Seems reasonable considering it was in the dark at 2am. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #6
i don't think it was reasonable to shoot him JI7 Mar 2012 #25
Nonsense. ellisonz Mar 2012 #29
Assuming the homeowner is telling the truth that Morrison really did "take a step towards" brentspeak Mar 2012 #8
This is the problem with these shoots... orwell Mar 2012 #9
Doing either is a good way to get killed dmallind Mar 2012 #10
I really don't want to ever kill someone ohheckyeah Mar 2012 #12
that's a good idea ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #16
Yeah, the shooter was in genuine danger and "needed to defend himself" brentspeak Mar 2012 #13
"Shoot to wound" is Hollywood fiction. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #17
Is firing a warning shot also a "Hollywood fiction"? brentspeak Mar 2012 #18
Warning shots are Hollywood Fiction. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #20
He can legally shoot dead an unarmed intruder brentspeak Mar 2012 #86
You have the location wrong. It was the back porch, and he likely trespassed to get there. piedmont Mar 2012 #23
Oh really? Straw Man Mar 2012 #154
Probably raising his right hand to apologize... ellisonz Mar 2012 #30
I think a culture of "don't break into someone's home at 2 am" would have worked even better. nt piedmont Mar 2012 #33
Baloney. ellisonz Mar 2012 #40
Would I want this to happen to a family member? ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #45
"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." ellisonz Mar 2012 #55
You can do better than cut-n-paste piedmont Mar 2012 #47
This was a party next to the guys house. ellisonz Mar 2012 #54
And this was 2 am, an hour after police were called piedmont Mar 2012 #115
"committing suicide-by-homeowner." ellisonz Mar 2012 #117
It's how our society is ordered gratuitous Mar 2012 #14
+1 Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #38
... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #102
and got root Mar 2012 #19
That seems justifiable... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #21
yeah, but i still don't think it was justified, he could/should have just called the cops JI7 Mar 2012 #22
As said above, if I find someone in my house... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #24
in this case the guy was not inside the home, he was in the porch area hiding from cops JI7 Mar 2012 #26
As explained above, it apparently was a fully enclosed sun room... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #27
It's a fully enclosed porch, not a typical porch but more akin to a sunroom. Selatius Mar 2012 #79
If this guy grabs a baseball bat instead of a gun... ellisonz Mar 2012 #28
Or the kid gets beat to death by a blunt instrument... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #31
Nonsense... ellisonz Mar 2012 #35
THis one is far from inexcusable....the guy came into the other guys house... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #36
Rubbish. ellisonz Mar 2012 #39
I wouldn't expect my kids to be drunk and then break into someone's house to hide from the police Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #48
I did all the time, we usually just left the party if the cops were called Hippo_Tron Mar 2012 #155
Perhaps you missed this.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #41
He didn't have a scratch on him. ellisonz Mar 2012 #44
Nice falsified account in that article there. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #46
If it was so dark... ellisonz Mar 2012 #56
The light was off and he could not see what Morrison was doing brentspeak Mar 2012 #157
Did you take video? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #158
And what exactly does distance have to do with it? X_Digger Mar 2012 #50
We frankly have no idea if we walked toward him... ellisonz Mar 2012 #66
Did you forget the DA's statement, again, or is that intentional? X_Digger Mar 2012 #87
Intentional? ellisonz Mar 2012 #88
So the DA wouldn't have pressed charges, even without castle doctrine, and your response is.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #93
Somehow I think you have an agenda... ellisonz Mar 2012 #94
Nice deflection. X_Digger Mar 2012 #96
What makes you think the DA and the police conducted a fair investigation? ellisonz Mar 2012 #98
Another dodge. X_Digger Mar 2012 #103
And you're defending a killer... ellisonz Mar 2012 #111
And another dodge.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #114
What makes you think the D.A. couldn't indict him and let a jury decide? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #116
"Couldn't"? None. But that wasn't the question, was it? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #118
Exactly. He's making a choice, and no one is under any obligations to make apologies for this dude. ellisonz Mar 2012 #119
"knowing full well the kid was likely not armed" -- equivocate much? X_Digger Mar 2012 #120
Should go to trial... ellisonz Mar 2012 #121
I notice you still haven't answered my question. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #122
The answer to your question is that the D.A. is making a choice... ellisonz Mar 2012 #124
That's a dodge, not an answer. X_Digger Mar 2012 #126
Malice aforethought. ellisonz Mar 2012 #130
That word.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #133
You really don't help your argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #138
What leads you to believe that the homeowner intended to kill the intruder? X_Digger Mar 2012 #139
He's an experienced gun owner. ellisonz Mar 2012 #140
That's another dodge. X_Digger Mar 2012 #143
There's no dodge there at all. ellisonz Mar 2012 #144
Why do people like not answering my questions? X_Digger Mar 2012 #145
I know where you stand on these issues. ellisonz Mar 2012 #146
Lol, so you didn't actually answer the previous question. Okay. X_Digger Mar 2012 #147
You couldn't buy a clue... ellisonz Mar 2012 #148
Without "Castle Law" the homeowner would have been found justified anyway. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #42
Yeah, in this particular case, and after the fact. krispos42 Mar 2012 #32
They aren't saying who called the police in the first place... ellisonz Mar 2012 #37
Actually, the DA and the cops are saying the defending homeowner called police in the first place. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #49
So he knew there was the party... ellisonz Mar 2012 #57
Because no bad people ever came to a party? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #90
Stupid question. ellisonz Mar 2012 #92
It's a very relevant question. You seem to believe that a party somehow means that the homeowner Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #97
You seem to believe one ought to shoot first, and ask questions later... ellisonz Mar 2012 #100
When you find someone skulking within your house, yes. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #101
Hope you don't shoot the neighbors kid some weekened... ellisonz Mar 2012 #104
20 years old is now a kid? Soon it will be 25 or maybe 30. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #105
No, I wasn't in the "in" crowd. krispos42 Mar 2012 #51
Well I did go to such parties... ellisonz Mar 2012 #58
Maybe Bo should have manned up and accepted the underage drinking citation instead of breaking... JVS Mar 2012 #62
Really? ellisonz Mar 2012 #64
Really! It's not the homeowner's job to know the intentions of the guy breaking into his house JVS Mar 2012 #71
"or use the doorbell and ask to enter." ellisonz Mar 2012 #74
Do you believe that Bo is entitled to enter other people's houses without their consent? JVS Mar 2012 #77
Do you believe a homeowner is entitled to shoot an unarmed drunk kid in cold blood? ellisonz Mar 2012 #78
How are you defining 'cold blood'?? Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #81
As in he knew there was a party, he confronted them, he then called the cops... ellisonz Mar 2012 #82
When someone breaks into your house it isn't "cold blood" JVS Mar 2012 #83
He had time to ask him what he was doing there... ellisonz Mar 2012 #84
Never knew someone who hid in a house though. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #91
He hid in a covered porch. That's how the houses are built there... ellisonz Mar 2012 #95
Why can't you grasp what a covered ENCLOSED porch is? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #99
What don't you understand about malice with forethought? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #106
Because this has nothing to do with this case. You want it to, but it does not. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #107
The hell it doesn't. ellisonz Mar 2012 #108
The fact that he had a gun really burns you up doesn't it? Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #110
"The fact that he had a gun really burns you up doesn't it?" ellisonz Mar 2012 #131
Wait he had a father? Well that changes everything. Please post some more stories where homeowners Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #135
And from the abstract view, withhindsight and evidence krispos42 Mar 2012 #134
Negative. ellisonz Mar 2012 #137
"Judicial review" krispos42 Mar 2012 #149
He can get a public defender for free. ellisonz Mar 2012 #150
Sure, a public defender for free. krispos42 Mar 2012 #152
Mr. Morrison wasn't an angel... ellisonz Mar 2012 #153
Yeah I remember all the times I got drunk in high school...then ran from the cops, then broke into Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #52
Well I hope you never feel "threatened" enough... ellisonz Mar 2012 #59
So if you succesfully defend yourself (not have any harm come to you) it is murder? Kurska Mar 2012 #53
These are the facts. ellisonz Mar 2012 #61
This person broke into this house...why is this hard to understand? Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #65
Under a bullshit law. ellisonz Mar 2012 #67
You think you should have to run in your own house? Are you kidding me? Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #68
I think you have a duty to responsibly employ deadly force. ellisonz Mar 2012 #70
Al Sharpton's will read it and think to himself... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #72
Actually Ed Schultz is already all over this case... ellisonz Mar 2012 #73
Castle law and stand your ground are two very different things...but you know that. Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #75
Your question should be "Did you ever break into someone's home while fleeing the cops?" JVS Mar 2012 #60
There's more to this story. ellisonz Mar 2012 #63
You want it to be the same, and it's really,really not. Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #69
Yeah it is... ellisonz Mar 2012 #76
I'm sad for his family, but his son should not have broken into a house...he wasn't stalked, he Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #80
Exactly.. sendero Mar 2012 #109
If you don't like people who break into houses getting shot, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #85
Do you haved any empathy for the dead young man? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #128
I do have a kind of world-weary empathy for people who get themselves killed by doing stupid things. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #129
Why not let a jury decide? treestar Mar 2012 #89
That might require the D.A. to bend over... ellisonz Mar 2012 #112
Then the homeowner would have some pretty high legal defense costs. kiva Mar 2012 #113
That's no reason not to charge someone with a crime they may well have committed treestar Mar 2012 #132
But that's the job of the DA's office, kiva Mar 2012 #151
That's how it works in the UK. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #127
According to this, that doesn't seem to be the case Hippo_Tron Mar 2012 #156
What gets lost in this discussion... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #123
One where we fear criminals dsc Mar 2012 #125
Listen to what the DA dude says on the video. It's not just Castle Doctrine. slackmaster Mar 2012 #136
Guns provide an illusion of safety. McCamy Taylor Mar 2012 #142
I prefer a pair of cybermen. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #159
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