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edbermac

(15,938 posts)
69. That happened to the golfer Payne Stewart.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:34 PM
Mar 2014

On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament, The Tour Championship, held at Champions Golf Club in Houston that year. Traveling on a Monday morning, Stewart was planning to stop off in Dallas to discuss building a new home-course for the SMU golf program.[24] The last communication received from the pilots was at 9:27 AM EDT, and the plane made a right turn at 9:30 AM EDT that was probably the result of human input.

At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft[25] as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear.

National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation. The NTSB report showed that the plane had several instances of maintenance work related to cabin pressure in the months leading up to the accident. The NTSB was unable to determine whether they stemmed from a common problem – replacements and repairs were documented, but not the pilot discrepancy reports that prompted them or the frequency of such reports. The report gently chides Sunjet Aviation for the possibility that this would have made the problem harder to identify, track and resolve; as well as the fact that in at least one instance the plane was flown with an unauthorized maintenance deferral for cabin pressure problems.

According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes (9:33 EDT to 9:52 CDT – see NTSB report on the crash) after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota, a town ten miles (16 km) west of Aberdeen, after an uncontrolled descent.

could be. it's so tragic for the families...i cannot even imagine. spanone Mar 2014 #1
Seriously malaise Mar 2014 #2
A crash is horrible, and this is far worse. I also felt sorry for those dialing cell phones RKP5637 Mar 2014 #26
Wouldn't a fire, or at least smoke rocktivity Mar 2014 #3
May have run out of fuel by then malaise Mar 2014 #4
It ran out of fuel one hour into a five-hour flight? rocktivity Mar 2014 #21
Who knows - maybe they did dump fuel malaise Mar 2014 #27
Then they also would have left a MayDay call. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #54
True - this one is weird n/t malaise Mar 2014 #56
Here's what was left after the Value Jet crash in a swamp Fumesucker Mar 2014 #41
I remember that CatWoman Mar 2014 #43
Yeah, they didn't know about the gators, I assure you. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #57
they had to station guys with rifles around the wreckage site Skittles Mar 2014 #66
Yes, but the NTSB guys were alive. Nobody on that godforsaken plane was, post-impact. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #72
It was found, though. There's the difference (so far). WinkyDink Mar 2014 #55
They had a pretty good idea where the Value Jet crash site was Fumesucker Mar 2014 #59
Also it was a much smaller plane... Agschmid Mar 2014 #64
When I heard where it crashed, Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #75
I just came up with an interesting theory all on my own... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #5
But it would not veer left malaise Mar 2014 #7
Maybe the pilot's knee briefly hit the steering wheel as he passed out Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #10
It's five days because it crashed five days ago. longship Mar 2014 #17
Ya.....most likely the plane was in trouble and crashed somewhere around Indonesia/Malaysia Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #20
Still, you're good at DUing. longship Mar 2014 #22
I think at this point, that is plausible. A bit more plausible than the madinmaryland Mar 2014 #30
Loss of cabin pressure would not cause you to pass out-at least not instantly Travis_0004 Mar 2014 #48
Coupla points jberryhill Mar 2014 #51
Wouldn't satellite imagery pick that up? 30cal Mar 2014 #11
Don't think so... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #15
That's what I don't get, I thought all air traffic was tracked rather carefully? Then, the RKP5637 Mar 2014 #32
Transponders can be turned off. Travis_0004 Mar 2014 #39
Thanks for the info.! RKP5637 Mar 2014 #40
Also, it is SOP to turn off transponder upon landing. longship Mar 2014 #63
Ahem! Fuel? longship Mar 2014 #13
Why do they keep brining up the homing beacon on the black box? 30cal Mar 2014 #18
Yep, my thoughts too. I had always heard transponders are pretty much indestructible and RKP5637 Mar 2014 #34
Transponders aren't the "black boxes." WinkyDink Mar 2014 #60
Thanks!!! RKP5637 Mar 2014 #67
See Reply #39, interesting info. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #42
So you just prefer to think there is no such word as "speculation"? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #58
The cockpit has oxygen. former9thward Mar 2014 #16
Oh Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #23
The cockpit isn't seperately pressurized. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #70
No, there have been incidents that incapacitated the crew. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #31
It would be detected by a radar station somewhere (nt) question everything Mar 2014 #33
That happened to the golfer Payne Stewart. edbermac Mar 2014 #69
Who knows? longship Mar 2014 #6
No clue quinnox Mar 2014 #8
I can't wait to see what happened here malaise Mar 2014 #12
My guess is a landing on a too-short airstrip Warpy Mar 2014 #9
I'm thinking it went too high and is floating in space. penultimate Mar 2014 #14
As long as they don't run out of pre-moistened towelettes for the passenger's comfort. longship Mar 2014 #19
I'm thinking it's going to Mars. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #61
Let's see...Amelia Earhart has been missing since 1937 mnhtnbb Mar 2014 #24
LOST blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #25
Unless I'm mistaken, "Malacca" is very similar to the Greek slang word for "asshole" Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #28
had eniugh fuel for 3000 miles mainer Mar 2014 #29
Anyone remeber this movie? politicman Mar 2014 #35
The Langoliers penultimate Mar 2014 #36
Ah, that's it, had the wrong King story. n/t Liberal In Texas Mar 2014 #38
thanks. politicman Mar 2014 #45
thanks. politicman Mar 2014 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Liberal In Texas Mar 2014 #37
Yep, and it was great, was extremely well done and certainly anxiety provoking! I loved the RKP5637 Mar 2014 #44
... or the Twilight Zone eppy Myrina Mar 2014 #46
SPOILER ALERT lapislzi Mar 2014 #77
whatever happened had to be very sudden and conpletely done/over in seconds Rene Mar 2014 #49
at that speed, would be like hitting concrete politicman Mar 2014 #50
From 35,000 feet the plane would have broken like an egg. We've no wreckage. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #62
At this point, I am guessing the Indian Ocean. oldandhappy Mar 2014 #52
Why isn't anyone looking in the Bermuda Triangle? ..nt TeeYiYi Mar 2014 #53
The Smoke Monsters have clouded everyone's mind... africanadian Mar 2014 #65
If the cell phones are 840high Mar 2014 #68
The cell phones are not working jberryhill Mar 2014 #71
I just watched the update press conference from malaise Mar 2014 #73
You may be basing that on what happens in the US dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #74
Here is a link to an article Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #76
Thanks. 840high Mar 2014 #78
Yes Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #79
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