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34. everyone already had a right to self-defense, the SYG laws are the product of the gun lobby

Reply to hack89 (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:36 PM

Mar 2012

just like valentines day is the product of the candy co.

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Stand Your Ground laws have Nothing to do with 2nd Amendment rights. [View all] Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 OP

You mean there's something we can agree on? lunatica Mar 2012 #1

Again, SYG is not a gun right's issue at all. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #2

Thanks lunatica Mar 2012 #5

About half the states do not have a duty to retreat requirement ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #6

ALEC and the NRA are hard at work on those states. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #12

I think you have your polarity reversed ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #21

Exactly smaug Mar 2012 #9

Actually there are already firearms enhancement penalties in many jurisdictions ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #22

Except Loughner was not a failure of the gun sales process ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #25

A fatal failure which needs to be fixed for future gun sales, not lunatica Mar 2012 #28

System is no better than the data it has... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #29

So you think it can't be fixed? lunatica Mar 2012 #30

If you were a danger to yourself and others, and nobody ever went before a judge.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #31

There needs to be clear and universal reporting standards ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #32

K&R X 1000. The most intelligent posting yet on SYG. nt COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #3

Watch and see how these SYG laws become very unpopular. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #4

Maybe for half the country - there's alot of people cheering on George Zimmerman LynneSin Mar 2012 #11

"Hope he can get away with" it? gratuitous Mar 2012 #15

Zimmerman has not walked...and I serious doubt he will. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #24

I'll reserve judgment gratuitous Mar 2012 #26

Have you read the excerpted police reports on the city website? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #27

So you support duty to retreat in all cases? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #7

No I was fine with castle defense. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #14

No one has been enabled...Zimmerman has not walked ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #23

what do you think all the outrage is about? He walked, he was not arrested. got root Mar 2012 #33

Its going to a Grand Jury, its no where near over. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #35

the point, professor, is that he walked away from a murder scene due to a fucked up law got root Mar 2012 #36

Not sure you have a prima facie case for that conclusion ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #37

are you kidding? he was NOT arrested. nor was the murder weapon, nor scene secured for investigation got root Mar 2012 #41

Published police reports disagree with some of what you stated ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #42

he was NOT arrested, nor was his gun taken as evidence, nor a crime scene established got root Mar 2012 #43

Umm, you can see the crime scene tape in the Orlando news footage. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #45

Police report disagrees with you ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #46

he was not arrested, nor was his gun or permit taken away, nor was there a homicide investigation got root Mar 2012 #48

Assertion without reference... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #49

Fortunately, our Governor in Minnesota MineralMan Mar 2012 #8

Personally the SYG laws violate the 14th Amendment LynneSin Mar 2012 #10

Your argument is legally specious... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #19

I think the SYG laws needed to be better defined and the ambiguity removed from them. hack89 Mar 2012 #13

No there is no clear need. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #16

Duty to retreat is not always a good thing... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #20

I seriously doubt Zimmerman and others would read the fine print TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #17

There have to be laws defining self defense. hack89 Mar 2012 #18

In that case would any law have stopped him? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #38

everyone already had a right to self-defense, the SYG laws are the product of the gun lobby got root Mar 2012 #34

Do you include Castle Doctrine, which has SYG aspects to it as well... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #39

exactly, they already have laws on the books for defending yourself, especially on your own property got root Mar 2012 #40

You do realize that about half the states have some form of no duty to retreat? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #44

the new laws introduced by the gun lobby in the past decade need to go. got root Mar 2012 #47

I'll take that as "I want to rant and can't be bothered with facts, details, or specifics" ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #50