Reply #177

In the discussion thread: the number of posts saying "this in no way is a defense of Zimmerman" is astounding [View all]

Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #172)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 03:02 AM

apocalypsehow (12,751 posts)

177. It is - precisely right. And they are allowed here to spew their Right wing talking points unabated.

As big a tough guys toting shooting irons around as they brag about, their tender feelings sure do seem to get hurt real easy on the internet - I've had three replies "hidden" under DU3's asinine "jury" system in the last six hours because the tender little feelings of our "pro-gun Democrats," aka pretend liberals, have been wounded (no pun intended): they have been wearing out those alert buttons, angry at the truth about the right wing presence they pollute this place with in their presence here.

They are typically cowardly reactionaries, who have no place at DU but have nevertheless learned how to game the DU3 system quite easily.

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241 replies	Author	Time	Post
the number of posts saying "this in no way is a defense of Zimmerman" is astounding [View all]	scheming daemons	Mar 2012	OP
Hear hear.	Chorophyll	Mar 2012	#1
This in no way is a defense of Zimmerman, but...	Liberal Veteran	Mar 2012	#2
What if there wasnt that particular law in this case?	Puzzledtraveller	Mar 2012	#32
If there wasn't a SYG law, it seems less likely that one could avoid....	Liberal Veteran	Mar 2012	#56
Unlikely.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#59
Really does not matter what law "is" -- it's how those who carry guns in public perceive it.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#180
Nope, think it was totally intended	lark	Mar 2012	#88
Bullshit. The law and the act are entirely separate	dmallind	Mar 2012	#3
the law enabled the act....no arrests, no grand jury....nada	spanone	Mar 2012	#17
More like a gross misrepresentation of the law...	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#27
Not in any way, shape or form.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#47
your interpretation doesn't matter	DisgustipatedinCA	Mar 2012	#136
a grand jury was covened two days ago.	SemperEadem	Mar 2012	#64
Don't bother me with facts, son, I'm on a roll here!	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#65
lol!	SemperEadem	Mar 2012	#67
stay tuned.	dmallind	Mar 2012	#85
Lol ummm except that the law was the EXACT LAW that the POLICE cited	DFab420	Mar 2012	#19
Disagree.	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#39
The police still cited this specific law as the reason Zimmerman wasn't arrested.	Gore1FL	Mar 2012	#58
They said they didn't have probable cause. We're not going to repeal the 5th amendment.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#68
Probable cause for what?	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#73
Probable cause for arrest. (It's always required, regardless of SYG.)	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#76
How sad and frustrating for the family this must be.	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#83
No doubt. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#84
"Probable cause" considering their interpretation of "Get a Gun and Stand Your Ground."	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#182
And they are still wrong cause that law doesn't even apply to this situation (even when it was used)	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#70
and still hasn't been arrested when lots of evidence has been presented.	AnotherDreamWeaver	Mar 2012	#42
stay tuned.	dmallind	Mar 2012	#87
Irrational love of guns	lark	Mar 2012	#91
Was it irrational for that boy to be afraid of that gun, I don't follow, a gun is by design deadly	Dragonfli	Mar 2012	#165
Ah yes, there's that line I love so much...	RevStPatrick	Mar 2012	#190
Because ...	Straw Man	Mar 2012	#228
And there's that other line I love so much...	RevStPatrick	Mar 2012	#238
this in no way is a defense of Zimmerman	phleshdef	Mar 2012	#4
It is disturbing - nt	Ohio Joe	Mar 2012	#5
First, please define "gun nut." Secondly, Zimmerman can not use the new law	leftofcool	Mar 2012	#6
Gun Nut: Someone who is so devoted to a machine of war that they cannot, will not	DFab420	Mar 2012	#22
K&R...	stonecutter357	Mar 2012	#40
Incoherent and irrelevent. n/t	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#48
Lol there is nothing incoherent about it.. trying reading it again. This time try saying aloud the	DFab420	Mar 2012	#79
Actually the statement is correct.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#106
This message was self-deleted by its author	Zoeisright	Mar 2012	#152
Struck too close to home, I see. Made you uncomfortable.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2012	#144
Lack of empathy? WTF?	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#150
I agree	fightthegoodfightnow	Mar 2012	#167
It's not nice to stereotype.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#208
Why? Because YOU can't understand it?	Zoeisright	Mar 2012	#153
Not if you can read and comprehend English, just sayin' /nt	Dragonfli	Mar 2012	#168
.......	BlancheSplanchnik	Mar 2012	#203
The cartoon speaks for what it is. nt	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#209
Well, except for the fact...	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#210
Actually we just respond to being abused.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#99
We will try to be more sensitive to your pain and suffering, no one should ever be harmed by	Dragonfli	Mar 2012	#171
Stay out of your car then. nt	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#187
False Equivalence. Fail. n/t	BlancheSplanchnik	Mar 2012	#202
Is that the whole substance of the counter arguement?	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#205
no need to say anything further. The logical fallacy is evident. n/t	BlancheSplanchnik	Mar 2012	#218
No. It isn't.	Straw Man	Mar 2012	#232
for an illustration of your argument,	BlancheSplanchnik	Mar 2012	#235
OH MY GOD all my guns are broken!	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#117
Whew! Ok good	OriginalGeek	Mar 2012	#137
Has anyone ever heard of a gun owner who was NOT a "responsible" gun owner? I think not. eom	xtraxritical	Mar 2012	#174
Even the ones like Zimmerman were consider "responsible" gun owners right up until . . . . . .	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#216
great post n/t	stanwyck	Mar 2012	#196
A Gunophiliac	NBachers	Mar 2012	#173
Agreed! nt	chiffon	Mar 2012	#7
This is in no way...	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#8
True, Sir, It is Like The 'I'm No Racist, But...' Pre-Amble	The Magistrate	Mar 2012	#9
"If you feel the need to preface your post"	ZombieHorde	Mar 2012	#10
I think it's pretty understandable...But if you want to be obtuse, I'll jump through your hoops.	DFab420	Mar 2012	#14
How certain are you of your interpretation of that phrase?	ZombieHorde	Mar 2012	#24
You wouldn't need to preface it.	Gore1FL	Mar 2012	#61
I agree the preface is unneeded, and can be considered wordy.	ZombieHorde	Mar 2012	#170
It can be a way of expressing a nuanced opinion	RZM	Mar 2012	#71
This is in no way a defense of Zimmerman but I don't think he should be strung up	tularetom	Mar 2012	#11
That's fine. But how about the at least arrest him as a suspect and charge him with at	DFab420	Mar 2012	#18
Thank you, thank you, thank you.	montanto	Mar 2012	#69
Those who carry guns are ready to play judge/jury/executioner without benefit of trial.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#183
And the President shall lead them.	OnyxCollie	Mar 2012	#200
Once we get guns restricted, we can go after drones.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#214
How 'bout we just restrict killing w/out trial instead? nt	OnyxCollie	Mar 2012	#215
The "Gungeon" is the only group in DU that routinely advocates in favor of republicans....	Walk away	Mar 2012	#12
Sigh	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#23
Well said!	Puzzledtraveller	Mar 2012	#45
So you are telling me that members of the gun lobby don't routinely advocate....	Walk away	Mar 2012	#66
Try taking people for who they are, one at a time.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#74
I have never been a NRA member either.	Puzzledtraveller	Mar 2012	#89
I love how some people see every gun owner as a mass murdered.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#96
Good for you. That was clearly not my point but feel free to testify! nt	Walk away	Mar 2012	#124
But that is exactly how gun owners get treated.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#139
How yow you react is up to you. I am interested in why so many Gun Lobby folk...	Walk away	Mar 2012	#105
I've sent many an e-mail to my Democratic Senators and Reps expressing my opinions.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#109
You haven't established your claim.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#135
Put up or shut up.	Straw Man	Mar 2012	#230
Do it.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#120
The thought of sifting through the haranging and often...	Walk away	Mar 2012	#132
If we do, individuals like myself will step up with private contributions to PP.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#133
Well put.	Union Scribe	Mar 2012	#239
Well that was a bunch of fallacious horse-apples. n/t	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#51
Did you alert those posts?	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#119
The pro-gun crowd does indeed applaud every time some right winger proposes relaxing gun laws.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#184
It seems the spin started with the gun prohibitionist prom.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#13
Yup cause it was the local PD's money and influence that allowed a for a law that means you can gun	DFab420	Mar 2012	#16
Second verse, same as the first.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#26
Seems your the one dancing around this issue. Do you disagree that the NRA has used its money and	DFab420	Mar 2012	#82
Only if you only read half the law.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#53
I have read all of it.	DFab420	Mar 2012	#86
Apparently you missed this part..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#92
I don't understand your point? Are you saying Trayvon brought this on himself cause he provoked	DFab420	Mar 2012	#97
No, you can't "gun ppl down in the streets if you feel threatened...." under this law..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#101
So even though you think Zimmerman can't avail himself of the law, the FL PD disagree	DFab420	Mar 2012	#108
The racist PD, whose chief was replaced for a previous incident of looking the other way?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#110
?? ok I'm confused by the point you are trying to make..the stand your ground law it the law that	DFab420	Mar 2012	#114
Yes, it's the corrupt police, not the law.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#118
The police aren't using the law at all.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#145
Yes, you see the problem isnt this fucked up law that enables racist police departments	Warren Stupidity	Mar 2012	#156
And you think a racist police department wouldn't cover for a racist without this one law?!?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#158
If I bang my head harder will it get through to you what we are saying?	Warren Stupidity	Mar 2012	#159
Feel free to bang whatever you like.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#161
Like Zimmerman and those like him are going to read all that. They don't get past Stand Your Ground	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#185
Lots of concern trolls that just feel the need to reassure themselves. nt	Guy Whitey Corngood	Mar 2012	#15
Rec.	CakeGrrl	Mar 2012	#20
This in no way is a defense of Zimmerman.	KamaAina	Mar 2012	#21
I am a gun nut but Zimmerman is a racist who should be prosecuted for murder	bluestateguy	Mar 2012	#25
I guess I must be a gun nut, too.	murielm99	Mar 2012	#31
Agree.	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#33
Murderers never consider the law!	Puzzledtraveller	Mar 2012	#50
He wanted this to happen, no doubts about it. nt	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#54
I don't want police to get in the habit of arresting people without concrete evidence of a crime	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#28
A child carrying nothing but tea and skittles was killed by	obxhead	Mar 2012	#43
"while an investigation is underway"...	ScreamingMeemie	Mar 2012	#77
The problem may be the law itself. Please read the Sanford City Manager's open letter.	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#111
I saw the letter yesterday (responded in the original post about it).	ScreamingMeemie	Mar 2012	#115
The law does not -verb needed- harassing somone...	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#121
It does not allow for (edited). I hope you don't mind that I am going to go	ScreamingMeemie	Mar 2012	#123
I agree with you that there is evidence to keep the case open, and in fact it IS still open.	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#127
Again, I am going to go with the (not a CNN caller) legal expert	ScreamingMeemie	Mar 2012	#128
Ironically Trevor Martin could have used this law had he been carrying a gun...	Kalidurga	Mar 2012	#29
Perhaps so, but Trayvon Martin was too young to legally buy a handgun or get a permit to carry it	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#30
Above all everyone is innocent until proven guilty.	Life Long Dem	Mar 2012	#34
I have no problem with Zimmerman having a fair trial, but to have a trial he needs to be	WI_DEM	Mar 2012	#36
No, that's not how it works.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#55
Lol what??? Usually if there is a shooting and the shooter is on scene he is at least detained for	DFab420	Mar 2012	#93
"detained for questioning" =/= "arrested and charged"	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#146
Actually, according to the PD report (for what it's worth), he was handcuffed and detained.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#148
Oh, we have a good idea about what happened next	Oilwellian	Mar 2012	#90
Who confronted who?	Life Long Dem	Mar 2012	#107
This message was self-deleted by its author	Cali_Democrat	Mar 2012	#149
all that shit is on the 911 tapes..	frylock	Mar 2012	#98
I think i'd be yelling for help too...	Life Long Dem	Mar 2012	#113
and based on that comment i'll place you in the zimmerman camp	frylock	Mar 2012	#130
I see.	Life Long Dem	Mar 2012	#143
I Expected it... and Glad they Outed Themselves	fascisthunter	Mar 2012	#35
They could try being honest.	safeinOhio	Mar 2012	#37
I think you're being unfair.	USArmyParatrooper	Mar 2012	#38
If it was Trayvon crying for help then he was fearing for his life.	Life Long Dem	Mar 2012	#44
It's exactly like someone saying "I'm not racist, but"	obxhead	Mar 2012	#41
Bravo!	Zoeisright	Mar 2012	#155
"Gun nuts... on DU" is an insult to DUers	cherokeeprogressive	Mar 2012	#46
We're tough.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#52
I didn't alert for just that reason. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Mar 2012	#63
Agreed...	SidDithers	Mar 2012	#49
Most of those are probably from TS'd Paulbots	RZM	Mar 2012	#72
Why make the claim about Paulbots then?	Puzzledtraveller	Mar 2012	#95
There was a rash of Ron Paul trolls not so long ago	RZM	Mar 2012	#131
More than just the war on drugs.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#122
Complete Agreement	Moral Compass	Mar 2012	#57
This message was self-deleted by its author	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#60
Zimmerman	Old Codger	Mar 2012	#62
This avalanche of mistakes is why laws like this one makes no sense.	Lost-in-FL	Mar 2012	#78
imho why the PD is in full blown CYA mode..	frylock	Mar 2012	#103
21 states have passed this same law as Florida. This is insane!	earcandle	Mar 2012	#75
That is like saying, 'this is in no way defense of the GOP...'	Rex	Mar 2012	#80
The argument against this law in the first place was.....	louis-t	Mar 2012	#81
That was always the case, before this law or after.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#100
Without the law, the evidence would have allowed the police to	louis-t	Mar 2012	#236
Not likely..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#237
The law is fine. Zimmerman's actions don't fall under it.	moriah	Mar 2012	#94
what would have happened if Zimmerman had followed and shot a middle aged white man?	jzodda	Mar 2012	#102
I would actually say that the "stand your ground" law would work in Trayvon's favor.	LoZoccolo	Mar 2012	#104
Especially if Zimmerman tried to illegally detain Martin. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#116
Exactly.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#125
It would if Zimmerman was dead	Progressive dog	Mar 2012	#141
no. If Martin had shot Zimmerman he would be in jail right now facing a death penalty.	Warren Stupidity	Mar 2012	#162
The law certainly was Trayvon's advantage. Especially if being killed counts as an advantage.	Dr Fate	Mar 2012	#219
Sorry pal. The law isn't the problem.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#112
Just like I don't mean to bother you, I don't mean to step on your... I don't mean to interupt you..	demgrrrll	Mar 2012	#126
Nonsense. Zimmerman is a murderer, and you trying to blame the law gives him an EXCUSE.	Daemonaquila	Mar 2012	#129
The gun people here are the only ones permitted to openly worship a rightwing organization	DisgustipatedinCA	Mar 2012	#134
Yes	Progressive dog	Mar 2012	#142
Thank you. K&R n/t	Control-Z	Mar 2012	#138
I am so sick of the twisted defences of this law	Progressive dog	Mar 2012	#140
Exactly, the fuckers who backed this law were Republicans. They love to pass crap that	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#217
I searched for them but could only find yours.	Nye Bevan	Mar 2012	#147
I agree 10000000%.	Zoeisright	Mar 2012	#151
K&R	abelenkpe	Mar 2012	#154
It's obvious that the anti gun nuts are looking for any reason to attack all gun owners.	L0oniX	Mar 2012	#157
yes how dare we.	Warren Stupidity	Mar 2012	#160
What I find amazing is what incredibly thin skin gun lovers (at least here) appear to have.	Dragonfli	Mar 2012	#163
"incredibly thin skin"?	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#188
AGREE 100%	fightthegoodfightnow	Mar 2012	#164
Now that our pretend liberals, aka "pro-gun Democrats" have been given their very own forum on DU3	apocalypsehow	Mar 2012	#166
I am a progressive flaming liberal retired nurse	Mojorabbit	Mar 2012	#179
why do you think that post had anything to do with you?	iverglas	Mar 2012	#192
Because I am a "pro gun liberal"	Mojorabbit	Mar 2012	#220
no, presumably you're a pro gun liberal	iverglas	Mar 2012	#221
Oh, lord.	Union Scribe	Mar 2012	#240
did you have something to actually say?	iverglas	Mar 2012	#241
Thanks for the insult	Papagoose	Mar 2012	#191
and another one	iverglas	Mar 2012	#193
You're wrong.	Straw Man	Mar 2012	#229
No, I'm not wrong. Nothing about the NRA agenda is a "progressive value."	apocalypsehow	Mar 2012	#234
Maybe, just maybe	flvegan	Mar 2012	#169
This is the result of gun nuts. Nothing else need be said. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2012	#172
It is - precisely right. And they are allowed here to spew their Right wing talking points unabated.	apocalypsehow	Mar 2012	#177
c'mon over to H&M	iverglas	Mar 2012	#195
Two more and I'm an transparency page ace! Just like Snoopy and his Sopwith Camel. I'm thinking back	apocalypsehow	Mar 2012	#225
I agree with you 100% nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2012	#201
You'll have to rip that bill out of our cold dead hands!	BootinUp	Mar 2012	#175
Killing black kids seems to be popular amongst a small segment of the population.	Major Hogwash	Mar 2012	#176
Its pretty sickening seeing people make Zimmerman into some poor victim.	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#178
People here? Where? n/t	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#189
Yup, a few of them have been banned. Look in any thread on the guy and you'll find one.	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#204
Link please.	emilyg	Mar 2012	#197
No offense, but I don't have time to go back finding posts from trolls.	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#206
If you are going to make this claim....	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#211
You can ignore my post. I made an opinion and I don't need to explain myself further.	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#212
No, you made an accusation and have not supported it when challenged.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#222
Good luck with that? lol	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#223
Going by the edit time-stamp....	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#224
I posted the link earlier today. Here is another one	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#226
Yeah, that was entirely inappropriate in the given circumstances....	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#227
This message was self-deleted by its author	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#213
Makes you wonder what they'd post if they started with	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#181
Let's see some links, please. Another poster tried to say what yu say...	Honeycombe8	Mar 2012	#186
Rush was just kidding!	freshwest	Mar 2012	#194
k&r - As I posted on another thread...	polichick	Mar 2012	#198
It's a great law and has nothing to do with Zimmerman not being charged.	Pacafishmate	Mar 2012	#199
or they will say "I am a progrssive" before they make a post lol.	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#207
Hi. I'm a progressive ...	Straw Man	Mar 2012	#231
No I am not, thanks for reminding me lol.	Lilyeye	Mar 2012	#233

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