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In reply to the discussion: So the neo-Nazis have seized power in Ukraine [View all]Kurska
(5,739 posts)72. Yeah Ukraine just absolutely crawlin with Nazis right now.
Throwing up swastikas all over the place. Turning the Ukrainian parliament into the reichstag.
I seriously have to wonder what planet some poster here are living on.
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It appearts that ultra RW factions have successfully overthrown democratically elected governments
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#1
The neo-cons were hired by Yunokovych's government. Anyone with half a brain has already
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#25
Of course the article doesn't mention that Arseniy Yatsenyuk is the member of the largest political
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#103
I thought my links were good, Telegraph, BBC and Reutiers. But what are neo-cons and people that are
freshwest
Feb 2014
#140
I heard it was a carton of 'Neopolitan' ice cream. (yes, sic, I know.) nt
Common Sense Party
Feb 2014
#37
I'm always ready to mix neo-cons with neo-nazis and neo-feudalists like Rand. All the same to me.
freshwest
Feb 2014
#89
The protestors (led by that prime minister lady that didn't get re-elected)
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#8
Yes, that prime minister that didn't get re-elected. Yulia whatever-her-name and her fans nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#14
Yes, she. And her fans. They propelled this, with the aid of the EU and the U.S.
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#38
Of course. How do leaders propel things? By duplicating themselves into thousands? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#45
I saw her speak from the wheelchair after her supporters got her out of jail/prison.
freshwest
Feb 2014
#139
I don't care for her, but some sources say she and Putin used to work well together.
freshwest
Feb 2014
#90
A few started it, then the real nuts (fascists) got involved, and the rest is history and hell nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#18
Perhaps Ukrainians would rather have a functioning democracy versus Putin's vassal state.
Throd
Feb 2014
#27
Perhaps you should try a more reliable source for your info. Any of the reputable international news
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#20
I don't consider Alternet a reliable source. Yes the ultra nationalists group is participating in
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#49
No? What do you consider a reliable source? Any source that agrees with your premise? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#54
No, Reuters, The Associated Press, New York Times, The Economist................nt
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#107
They're fascists. And they're in coalition with two center-right parties, making them the majority
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#86
Svoboda is not the majority. They aren't the majority in the opposition even. The majority of the
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#108
The coalition that includes Svobada is the majority. As was perfectly obvious/
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#112
You don't consider Alternet a reliable source -- why is that? You think it's in bed with Putin?
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#114
Articles on Alternet are only as good as their authors. The article in reference doesn't provide
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#152
Good points there! What is Alternet's angle in promoting Russian PR, though?
freshwest
Feb 2014
#159
If you dont consider Alternet a reliable source, what do you consider? CNN? ABC? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#146
The alternet article has zero credibility and I think your pointing out that they're saying the same
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#109
Why would western powers back any kind of Nazi? FFS, WW2! And we're accused by the RWNJs of
freshwest
Feb 2014
#153
Because sometimes you don't get the luxury of picking your friends...(nt)
Jeff In Milwaukee
Feb 2014
#155
I don't see the analogy between Ukrainians fighting it out and Americans invading
freshwest
Feb 2014
#161
For those that dream of revolution to throw off the chains of oppression, take notice.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#10
You must be responding to the wrong post. "when you cheer on anarchy destroying a stable nation."
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#141
We wish to tear down all governments that we dont have in our pocket and replace them with
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#149
No, some of us have bothered to learn the truth. I suggest you do the same. nt
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#22
Brilliant. I wonder what would happen if you did neo-Nazi and Republican party.........nt
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#50
Just goes to show how hard Putin's propaganda machine is working. I noticed most of the claims about
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#46
As a Jew, I find it incredibly offensive that you throw that term around with zero understanding. nt
Kurska
Feb 2014
#15
What term? Neo-Nazi? Is there another term that should be used perhaps? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#55
Um, no, he's not. But there are Neo-Nazis going crazy on the streets of Ukraine...
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#65
Please find me a single credibly link detailing how the Neo-Nazis have seized control in the Ukraine
Kurska
Feb 2014
#68
And you're right in the thick of that wonderful wonderland, right? That's how you know so much
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#73
Actually, many people agree with me. The net is filled with this info., so why would you think
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#79
No, you're right about that. But truth is somewhere, right? And who has it? Is it you?
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#136
I dunno, but it's not the people screaming that Ukraine has been taken over by neo-nazis
Scootaloo
Feb 2014
#147
Say you, claiming that *you* are the correct one. Didn't work. Try again. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#154
As a Jew, you should be aware that the Ukranian collaboraters helped massacre Ukranian Jews by
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#56
You should be aware that there is a long history fascist sympathy in the region.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#58
so had I said "all of the ukranian opposition are neo nazis" you might have a point.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#64
Um you are aware you're posting in a thread that claims the Neo-nazis seized control?
Kurska
Feb 2014
#66
Again, is it your claimn that there are no fascist groups in the opposition?
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#67
Yeah well I don't deny we have a sordid history and a problematic present.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#96
Can I inquire as to your source for this? Because while I know that there are some
TwilightGardener
Feb 2014
#31
Why should the Ukraine not be in trade zones with both the EU and Russia? I'm sure that
applegrove
Feb 2014
#39
I'm not sure why the two trade markets can't work together. They have to iron this out. Russia's gas
freshwest
Feb 2014
#145
Thank you, that was very informative and I checked out Gasprom as well. I try to take such factors
freshwest
Feb 2014
#160
They want to discredit the uprising so they invent reasons why we shouldn't like it.
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#113
As I understand it, the interim President is a member of the All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" party
justiceischeap
Feb 2014
#93
Facts. Acting president/PM, finance minister, interior minister - none are from Svoboda
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2014
#94
Doesn't change the fact they're not even close to the majority party in the country.
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2014
#101
They're not a major factor in the opposition. And they certainly haven't "seized power".
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2014
#104
They're in a formal coalition with two centre right parties and the coalition IS the majority
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#115
But the insinuation that fascists and neo-nazis are leading the shots is just not documented. nt
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2014
#131
I'm forced to conclude that person does not understand parliamentary politics.
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#129
I love it when the argument goes from "there are no nazis, that's just stupid" to
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#142
Posts 93 and 94 for the win. The interim President is not from Svoboda. NeoNazis are not in charge
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#100
They're in a formal political coalition with the party of the interim president and Tymoshenko's
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#116
My assertion is a fact. It's also a fact that 'pro-west' sections of Ukraine are also the sections
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#124
I reiterate Carcetti's question to you above. Do you understand Parliamentary politics?
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#130
If that is true, and Ukraine can't push them out, I do not think Russia will just sit by
lostincalifornia
Feb 2014
#151
I was skeptical, and didn't think it was true, thanks. Also, unfortunately, looking at what Putin
lostincalifornia
Feb 2014
#164