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Octafish

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24. Michael Parenti said USSR was forced into the non-aggression pact with Germany...
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:48 PM
Mar 2012

Alone among the nations that would later be allies, the USSR had asked the Western powers for help in opposing the rapidly re-arming Germany in the 1930s. It appears now that the pact was Soviet Russia's way of ensuring peace with Hitler.



THE COLD WAR IS AN OLD WAR

by Michael Parenti
from Contrary Notions (2007)

EXCERPT...

Repeated overtures by Moscow to conclude collective-security pacts with the Western democracies in order to contain Axis aggression were rebuffed, including Soviet attempts to render armed assistance to Czechoslovakia. Frustrated in its attempts to form an anti-Nazi alliance, and believing (correctly) that it was being set up as a target for Nazi aggression, the USSR signed an eleventh-hour nonaggression treaty with Hitler in 1939 to divert any immediate attack by German forces.

To this day, the Hitler-Stalin pact is paraded as proof of the USSR's diabolic affinity for Nazism and its willingness to cooper­ate with Hitler in the dismemberment of Poland. Conservative news columnist George Will was only one of many when he mis­takenly described the Soviet Union as a regime that was "once allied with Hitler."44 The Soviets were never allied with Hitler. The pact was a treaty, not an alliance. It no more denoted an alliance with Nazism than would a nonaggression treaty between the United States and the Soviets have denoted an alliance between the two. On this point, British historian A. J. P. Taylor is worth quoting:

It was no doubt disgraceful that Soviet Russia should make any agreement with the leading Fascist state; but this reproach came ill from the statesmen who went to Munich .... (The Hitler-Stalin) pact contained none of the fulsome expressions of friendship which Chamberlain had put into the Anglo-German declaration on the day after the Munich conference. Indeed Stalin rejected any such expressions: "the Soviet Government could not sud­denly present to the public German-Soviet assurances of friendship after (we) had been covered with buckets of filth by the Nazi Government for six years.

The pact was neither an alliance nor an agreement for the partition of Poland. Munich had been a true alliance for partition: the British and French dictated partition to the Czechs. The Soviet government undertook no such action against the Poles. They merely promised to remain neutral, which is what the Poles had always asked them to do and which Western policy implied also. More than this, the agreement was in the last resort anti-German: it limited the German advance eastwards in case of war. . . . (With the pact, the Soviets hoped to ward) off what they had most dreaded—a united capitalist attack on Soviet Russia. ... It is difficult to see what other course Soviet Russia could have followed.45


CONTINUED...

http://www.skeptic.ca/Parenti_Cold_War.htm



Gee. What class of individual'd want to make money off of war?
Definitely, at least in the medium-term. hifiguy Mar 2012 #1
Zhuov was far off in the east. OPOS Mar 2012 #14
Ah, that explains a few things. hifiguy Mar 2012 #15
Kiev mackattack Mar 2012 #19
He was In Charge At Nomonhan, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #21
Stalin Planned To Break It Late In '42, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #2
Hitler was terribly naive and cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #5
Try Messers. Reed And Fisher's 'The Deadly Embrace: Hitler, Stalin, And The Nazi-Soviet Pact' The Magistrate Mar 2012 #7
The point is that "Deadly Embrace" is cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #54
So What, Sir? The Magistrate Mar 2012 #55
Whatever "much of" modern scholarship is, cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #57
Does the earlier book still parrot the belief that winter saved Moscow? ieoeja Mar 2012 #60
No, Sir, It Is Hardly A Reprise Of Carroll's 'Hitler Strikes East' The Magistrate Mar 2012 #65
That's not a correct assessment of the Polish campaign RZM Mar 2012 #23
It Also Wholly Ignores The Economic Factors, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #26
I believe the campaign was formally over by Sept. 15 RZM Mar 2012 #30
Thank You, Sir: I Am Away From My Books At Present, and Cruising On Memory The Magistrate Mar 2012 #32
It doesn't ignore them cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #44
Oddly, we are not disagreeing much cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #33
England And France Did Regard Soviet Russia as An Enemy Power Prior To Barbarossa, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #39
Yes, but they were not at war cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #46
There Were Serious Plans A-Foot To Attack Soviet Territory, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #47
Of course, sir, but would not have preferred to fight both cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #50
Indeed, Sir, Not So Much Arguing as Providing Complementary Views And Supplementary Facts The Magistrate Mar 2012 #53
All one has to do with England is neutralize the navy cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #56
Air Forces, Circa 1940s, Sir, Trump Navies, and Decisively The Magistrate Mar 2012 #58
I would have hated to mount the invasion of Sicily with air power cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #59
This Sort Of Thing Cannot Be Settled, Sir, Obviously, But Here Are a Few Further Thoughts The Magistrate Mar 2012 #64
Is that some kind of Eastern thing? Son of Gob Mar 2012 #16
Part of the reason Germany advanced so far so fast cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #3
Soviet Russia, Sir, Was In Nothing Remotely Resembling An Offensive Posture In The Summer Of '41 The Magistrate Mar 2012 #8
But it is true that Soviet military doctrine was offensive in nature RZM Mar 2012 #40
Everyone's was, Sir, and Just About Always has Been The Magistrate Mar 2012 #41
Of course 'posture' and 'doctrine' aren't the same thing RZM Mar 2012 #43
Von Moeltke The Elder, Sir, Was One Of the Few To Riddle the Matter Properly In the Modern Era The Magistrate Mar 2012 #45
I have read... cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #52
As you wish cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #51
Probably, at least until the Soviets saw an advantage in stabbing Hitler in the back. razorman Mar 2012 #4
probably not, based on what I've read DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #6
Nazi Germany would have won the war and conquered Europe hifiguy Mar 2012 #9
Stalin wasn't surprised that Hitler invaded, he was surprised that he did so in 1941 RZM Mar 2012 #17
Well Put, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #20
Yes cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #48
I remember reading once RZM Mar 2012 #49
The great battle was always going to be between Facism and Communism FarCenter Mar 2012 #10
If there had been no Soviet Union, would the U.S. have saved & imported so many Nazi war criminals? WinkyDink Mar 2012 #11
Never. The OSS scooped up so many top Nazis hifiguy Mar 2012 #18
Stalin knew that the pact wouldn't last forever RZM Mar 2012 #12
Stalin did indeed trust Hitler brentspeak Mar 2012 #22
That is completely false RZM Mar 2012 #25
With all due respect, I think you are mistaken brentspeak Mar 2012 #29
Actually RZM Mar 2012 #35
Are we so sure that Stalin expected to be fighting Nazi Germany? brentspeak Mar 2012 #38
He did envision a possible confrontation with the West RZM Mar 2012 #42
Trust Is Not Quite The Right Word, Sir, Certainly Not In the Sense Of having Faith In His Word The Magistrate Mar 2012 #34
Probably. However, was the alliance really secret? Cleita Mar 2012 #13
Michael Parenti said USSR was forced into the non-aggression pact with Germany... Octafish Mar 2012 #24
Just A Friendly Note, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #27
Stalin offered to join the Axis in November 1940 RZM Mar 2012 #28
What if Britain and France had not declared war on Germany after the invasion of Poland? FarCenter Mar 2012 #31
It was Hitler's annexation of Bohemia and Moravia in 1939 RZM Mar 2012 #37
The Tsar abdicated in March 1917, so the Eastern Front was pretty much over by then FarCenter Mar 2012 #61
Russian troops were still fighting when the February Revolution happened RZM Mar 2012 #63
I've truly enjoyed reading this thread. Thank you!! Solly Mack Mar 2012 #36
Hitler needed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to stab Stalin in the back MrScorpio Mar 2012 #62
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