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moriah

(8,311 posts)
34. What about female concealed carriers?
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 03:35 AM
Mar 2012

I don't have my permit, though I've considered getting it... tho there's little point in having one unless you actively plan to carry, and while I'd like the option, I don't feel the need strongly enough to go through the process. A job I'd consider getting it for would be like the one my mom had, she worked at a suicide hotline on night weekends in the middle of the downtown of a city, and her car was stolen from her parking lot on her shift there.

Honestly, those who are looking at self-defense statutes should look at how it would have been had the people having the guns been reversed -- obviously, the person being followed wasn't a minor in this thought experiment:

If someone was following me without identifying themselves verbally as security or police through a parking lot at night when I was walking in a place I had every right to be, I'd likely wish I was carrying even if I wasn't. If I were caught by a person who was following me, I would consider that assault in the legal sense, since they were detaining me and threatening me with their behavior, enough to consider it to be force used against me that could be met with force under the law. If an altercation had gotten to the point I felt my physical well-being was in true jeopardy (and for me, therefore my life could be in danger -- I wouldn't do well in a physical fight), I would have felt justified to draw my firearm if I had it. Drawing a firearm in a fight earlier than that can be considered aggravated assault itself. If I was cornered or the person was very close to me, and they kept coming toward me, I probably would be scared enough for my life to shoot.

That's standing your ground *after retreating*, which would have been lawful even before the law changed. The victim in this case had a valid self-defense claim in my opinion, if it were being analyzed from that side. (Edit to add: which is one way it should be analyzed under the law in determining whether Zimmerman had a self-defense claim at all, if his victim could use one himself!)

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Given that you have used gender slurs against the man, even if they might be deserved... how *do* you feel about women who carry?

What's even more disturbing is that he still has both his gun and his permit. WTF? n/t teddy51 Mar 2012 #1
Not clear if he has that gun back, but he still has his permit since he has not been charged nor ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #9
As I understood in another Thread, they never took his gun from him! n/t teddy51 Mar 2012 #13
Lots of mixed reports on this and other important details ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #16
No need to test the gun when Zimmerman admits to shooting and killing the victim. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #24
I would think they would want at least balistics match just to make sure ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #31
Well said and great question! n/t arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #2
that would mean he made a mistake but what i'm saying is he wanted to kill a black kid JI7 Mar 2012 #3
I heard that most of his calls as "neighborhood watchperson" or whatever zbdent Mar 2012 #12
to be clear he said "assholes" not "n*ggers" TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #14
No, he didn't. He said "these assholes always get away". No need to embelish. uppityperson Mar 2012 #29
And preferably one who was black. NT Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #25
Dunno about Florida, but most of our DU gun owners appear to think he's guilty as hell. TheWraith Mar 2012 #4
Not initially. Many are now that it's clear what happened and that the public is outraged. Hoyt Mar 2012 #7
Some of us believe in reading the law ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #10
No matter how many times you post SYG doesn't apply, it clearly does. They may be mistaken, but Hoyt Mar 2012 #15
Please cite the law.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #41
Everyone but those who carry guns seem convinced SYG applies in some respect, and goes too far. Hoyt Mar 2012 #42
I legally carry in Florida and from the beginning I felt that Zimmerman ... spin Mar 2012 #46
Innocent until proven guilty? Then, I have to ask -- how can you play judge/jury and shoot someone? Hoyt Mar 2012 #48
Easy. A person is attacking me with the intention of severely injuring or killing me ... spin Mar 2012 #50
Yes, and at this point, much more information is available. PavePusher Mar 2012 #47
Except you guys were ready to let it die, so to speak. Hoyt Mar 2012 #49
You are either very confused or lying. PavePusher Mar 2012 #51
He could have used a bat, or his fists, or a knife, or a taser Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #20
Instead, he shot him dead center - meant to kill him. Trial doesn't bring him back. Hoyt Mar 2012 #32
And there is another post on this board Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #43
I'm a gun owner. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #11
Make it 5 guitar man Mar 2012 #30
He is a coward who carried a gun to give him a senseof manly worth rustydog Mar 2012 #5
What about female concealed carriers? moriah Mar 2012 #34
Unless you have ever actually fired a weapon COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #35
There are some things I would rather die than have happen to me. My lines. moriah Mar 2012 #36
The frequency of this: PavePusher Mar 2012 #40
I'll accept his point that it's a possible outcome. moriah Mar 2012 #44
There is no problem in allowing someone to carry a gun. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #6
I know, but that wasn't the question JHB Mar 2012 #8
I almost iagree with you. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #23
I won't go so far as to say he was looking to kill a black child GobBluth Mar 2012 #17
Responsible gun owner here. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #18
Here is a forum gvstn Mar 2012 #19
Never. I'll tell you what I've told everyone. caseymoz Mar 2012 #21
Actually when people are prosecuted for justified self defense, something's broken. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #22
Really? Have you forgotten that nothing's perfect? caseymoz Mar 2012 #33
My (non-Floridian)gun owner thoughts. bluedigger Mar 2012 #26
It should have already happened guitar man Mar 2012 #27
I am not currently a gun owner, but I have had guns in the past. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #28
I think Zimmerman used poor judgement, got himself into a needless confrontation, and panicked slackmaster Mar 2012 #37
What is happening is inept/corrupt local police and politicians. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #38
I think he watched too much Fox and Jack Bauer raouldukelives Mar 2012 #39
I have a Florida Concealed Weapons permit and I carry ... spin Mar 2012 #45
my hubby is a big time gun person. i am anti gun. he is very much into responsibility and supports seabeyond Mar 2012 #52
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