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In the discussion thread: The Trayvon Martin tragedy is shining a national spotlight on "stand your ground" laws in at least 2 [View all]

Response to Hoyt (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:23 PM

Lizzie Poppet (2,376 posts)

10. I agree.

This is a weak link in the system of "stand your ground" laws and "must issue" concealed carry permit regulations. In many states, the level of education of when it is and is not permissible under state law to use deadly force is not adequate (IMO). You don't need to me a lawyer to understand the legal situation (that is, the laws' requirements are easily rendered in plain language), but there does have to be a strong emphasis on imparting this knowledge.

In my home state (Oregon), the CCW permit instruction course I took was very clear on this point...it was one of the most emphasized portions of the curriculum, in fact. But in some places, the matter is apparently given a very cursory treatment. Not good.

I think there should also be mandatory "refresher" courses on this subject, or at least materials giving a reminder of one's legal requirements when the permit comes up for renewal.

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30 replies	Author	Time	Post
The Trayvon Martin tragedy is shining a national spotlight on "stand your ground" laws in at least 2 [View all]	Julian Englis	Mar 2012	OP
Almost every state has these laws. They don't mean what people claim.	TheWraith	Mar 2012	#1
Except a lot of folks walking around with guns don't understand these laws.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#7
I agree.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2012	#10
Most states have required training for CCW or some cases even ownership	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#14
Except NRA and others are pushing for NO training requirements -- and a bunch of carriers don't even	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#17
"if they fear for their life" That leaves a major hole in interpretation to be sure. Who decides	teddy51	Mar 2012	#2
The fear has to be reasonable. California law explicitly states that a "bare fear" isn't enough.	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#4
I'm happy that you explained this. Once someone is dead, they are dead and we can't simply	teddy51	Mar 2012	#5
reasonable person standard is the norm in all 50 states IIRC	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#15
no witnesses around? blast away then lie thru your teeth. get off, no probs nt	msongs	Mar 2012	#3
However, in this case, witnesses are coming forward...	Rhiannon12866	Mar 2012	#12
There is this newfangled scientific thing called forensics	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#16
When I read the actual law, I fail to see how Zimmerman could use it to cover his actions ...	spin	Mar 2012	#6
The better listing is here..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#8
How many people who routinely carry guns really care about studying it to that degree?	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#18
Most that I know do. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#19
Most I've known stopped at "stand your ground."	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#21
Those who carry legally care a great deal about the law	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#20
Zimmerman is a good example.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#22
The 'reasonably believes ... necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm' part..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#9
That might be true. But somebody carrying a gun won't have time to	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#23
It's not a difficult exercise..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#24
Run through that in 1 second or less.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#25
Done. Next?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#26
I bet Zimmerman would like to have time to study it.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#27
Apparently he had plenty of time. That's why he's like to go down for murder 2 or manslaughter. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#29
Premeditated Murder is more like it.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#30
"Zimmerman's father says he is Hispanic."	CakeGrrl	Mar 2012	#11
zimmerman's white daddy sez he's hispanic..	frylock	Mar 2012	#13
LOL big time.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#28

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