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In the discussion thread: The Trayvon Martin tragedy is shining a national spotlight on "stand your ground" laws in at least 2 [View all]

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:52 PM

teddy51 (3,491 posts)

2. "if they fear for their life" That leaves a major hole in interpretation to be sure. Who decides

about when you should fear for your life? You? And how do you make that determination? Stupid f***ing laws to say the least.

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30 replies	Author	Time	Post
The Trayvon Martin tragedy is shining a national spotlight on "stand your ground" laws in at least 2 [View all]	Julian Englis	Mar 2012	OP
Almost every state has these laws. They don't mean what people claim.	TheWraith	Mar 2012	#1
Except a lot of folks walking around with guns don't understand these laws.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#7
I agree.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2012	#10
Most states have required training for CCW or some cases even ownership	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#14
Except NRA and others are pushing for NO training requirements -- and a bunch of carriers don't even	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#17
"if they fear for their life" That leaves a major hole in interpretation to be sure. Who decides	teddy51	Mar 2012	#2
The fear has to be reasonable. California law explicitly states that a "bare fear" isn't enough.	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#4
I'm happy that you explained this. Once someone is dead, they are dead and we can't simply	teddy51	Mar 2012	#5
reasonable person standard is the norm in all 50 states IIRC	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#15
no witnesses around? blast away then lie thru your teeth. get off, no probs nt	msongs	Mar 2012	#3
However, in this case, witnesses are coming forward...	Rhiannon12866	Mar 2012	#12
There is this newfangled scientific thing called forensics	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#16
When I read the actual law, I fail to see how Zimmerman could use it to cover his actions ...	spin	Mar 2012	#6
The better listing is here..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#8
How many people who routinely carry guns really care about studying it to that degree?	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#18
Most that I know do. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#19
Most I've known stopped at "stand your ground."	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#21
Those who carry legally care a great deal about the law	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#20
Zimmerman is a good example.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#22
The 'reasonably believes ... necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm' part..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#9
That might be true. But somebody carrying a gun won't have time to	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#23
It's not a difficult exercise..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#24
Run through that in 1 second or less.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#25
Done. Next?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#26
I bet Zimmerman would like to have time to study it.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#27
Apparently he had plenty of time. That's why he's like to go down for murder 2 or manslaughter. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#29
Premeditated Murder is more like it.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#30
"Zimmerman's father says he is Hispanic."	CakeGrrl	Mar 2012	#11
zimmerman's white daddy sez he's hispanic..	frylock	Mar 2012	#13
LOL big time.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#28

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