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In the discussion thread: President Obama’s Creepy Executive Order: "Putting the economy on a permanent war footing" [View all]

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:23 PM

pinto (98,207 posts)

15. My point - Ultimately it's an elected President's call. Not the Pentagon's.

Unresolved dissent or disputes among the parties involved go to the President, not the military. That is not military control of the entire economy.

And, for what it's worth, one role of the Presidency is to delegate authority while being responsible for the results of that delegation.

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193 replies	Author	Time	Post
President Obama’s Creepy Executive Order: "Putting the economy on a permanent war footing" [View all]	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	OP
"...the entire economy is now in service to the military"	Richardo	Mar 2012	#1
I hate to break it to you but	Drale	Mar 2012	#2
First George W. Bush's and now Obama's Executive Orders tightens that up. Isn't that right?	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#5
It has been on a "war footing" a lot longer than that . . .	markpkessinger	Mar 2012	#46
Help me out here.	Skinner	Mar 2012	#3
That's a quote from the lead article. "This amounts to putting the economy on permanent war footing"	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#7
Oh, right. I see.	Skinner	Mar 2012	#11
No problem. I hope my bold highlighting of the quote helps to prevent any more confusion.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#14
Well, uh, that doesn't really fix the misleading headline itself.	Skinner	Mar 2012	#16
I'm open to any suggestions you may have on improving the caption.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#24
Not even World Nut Daily fell for the interpretation in the OP. (See my post 27.)	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#28
But the 23 special souls who rec'd this OP certainly did!	Number23	Mar 2012	#146
Do you also consider WND a dependable and truthful news source?	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#148
Swing and a miss.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#150
I can't explain it,	Blue_In_AK	Apr 2012	#188
Happy to help!	Number23	Apr 2012	#191
Who said I'm not supporting Democrats?	Blue_In_AK	Apr 2012	#192
Like I said, if you want your name hitched to some month old, unhinged foolishness	Number23	Apr 2012	#193
Whoosh.	DevonRex	Mar 2012	#145
Bullshit and paranoid crap of the highest order.	TheWraith	Mar 2012	#4
You won't be saying that when a GOP Administration starts using this law.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#186
No shit....	truebrit71	Apr 2012	#190
you know	MrDiaz	Mar 2012	#6
Welcome to DU!!! That's an awful lot of memes in there.	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#19
yes	MrDiaz	Mar 2012	#40
This post was hidden by jury decision.	DFab420	Mar 2012	#95
Do you normally insult and belittle new DU'ers?	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#98
I usually am a bit snippy with people who use hyperbole and half truths to make points yes.	DFab420	Mar 2012	#111
Insulting personal attacks against DU'ers goes way beyond simply being a "bit snippy".	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#121
I don't think there is a single personal insult or attack. The author of the post clearly has a very	DFab420	Mar 2012	#122
The campaign of deliberate deception marches on....	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#161
He's right on at LEAST 3 of 4 counts. So your little attack was undeserved. n/t	Zalatix	Mar 2012	#118
Lol he's wrong on 3 out of 4... the only one is the Patriot Act. Other then that it this is all	DFab420	Mar 2012	#120
So you're denying that we have troops in Afghanistan?	Zalatix	Mar 2012	#123
omg dude...seriously? did you not read my post before face-mashing your keyboard?	DFab420	Mar 2012	#124
You answered YES (but..!) and YES (but...!). His points were valid.	Zalatix	Mar 2012	#125
I understand what you are saying	MrDiaz	Mar 2012	#126
"the entire economy is now in service to the military". Hyperbolic BS, imo. Here are the players -	pinto	Mar 2012	#8
Matthew Rothschild points out in detail how that Presidential authority is delegated.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#13
My point - Ultimately it's an elected President's call. Not the Pentagon's.	pinto	Mar 2012	#15
Another point: these EO's provide for executive branch compliance with the Defense Production Act	pinboy3niner	Mar 2012	#20
Oooh	ProSense	Mar 2012	#9
Not even World Nut Daily fell for the interpretation in the OP. (See my post 27.)	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#30
Sigh, bashers have no credibility any longer and neither do hyperbolic	uponit7771	Mar 2012	#10
None.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#12
What's even more shocking is that an admin hasn't put a stop to it. The agenda is as clear as day.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#17
That's what I want to know.	FSogol	Mar 2012	#18
Because the admins think you are wrong?	Rex	Mar 2012	#112
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer....nt	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#21
Is that the theory we're operating from? Cuz nothing else explains it.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#25
Oh, there's the amusement factor, too. See post #27. nt	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#32
Not really shocking at all if you've spent any amount of time on DU.	Rex	Mar 2012	#113
pure projection on your part	inna	Mar 2012	#154
Some bashers on DU are determined.	bluestate10	Mar 2012	#79
it really is a poutrage fail...	dionysus	Mar 2012	#104
sssssssssssssssssssssssssssss	randome	Mar 2012	#22
It sounds to me like somebody knows something they don't want to say in plain language	GliderGuider	Mar 2012	#23
You raise a very good point I hadn't considered.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#26
???	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#58
Oh, I'm a collapsologist.	GliderGuider	Mar 2012	#60
Well, as they say...."it takes all kinds"....	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#62
yep. They've tried to hold it together for the last few years but	EmeraldCityGrl	Mar 2012	#172
Um, not even World Nut Daily fell for this overblown interpretation...	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#27
.	ProSense	Mar 2012	#29
This is going to be the greatest thread, ever. Here's the OP, for posterity.	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#31
Excellent...	one_voice	Mar 2012	#33
"Your source has been Snopesed by World Nut Daily"	pinboy3niner	Mar 2012	#34
I'm not going to depend on the right-wingnut website you used to interpret the meaning of the EO	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#35
Cherry picking by any other name...	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#39
Are you mischaracterizing my post deliberately or did you fail to notice the mention of the Bush EO?	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#44
I didn't notice the one brief mention of a Bush EO. In response to your second question ....	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#65
How did you miss it in a 4 paragraph excerpt? As for the World Nut Daily, has it occured to you	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#74
Right-wing websites don't like what they view as "attacks" on the military-industrial complex.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#77
Because WND isn't able to both critique the President and uphold the MIC? Look, the	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#80
I don't visit any right-wing websites like WND for my news nor for any objective critique of Obama	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#83
I think you should at least google before you post to save yourself some embarassment. nt	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#84
I'm not embarassed by refusing to use right-wing websites like WND as a prime source of news.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#86
When you post an article that's nuttier than squirrel poo,	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#87
Ask BBI about Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller website. He's used it as a source many time...	SidDithers	Mar 2012	#94
The fact that you use a "nuttier than poo" right-wing website to back up your opinion says it all!	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#97
"Nuttier than squirrel poo." You've got to use the phrase	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#114
Whoooosh!	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#89
"embarassment" is yours - or at least it should be	inna	Mar 2012	#158
Are you sure about that?...	SidDithers	Mar 2012	#93
and the hammer drops...	dionysus	Mar 2012	#106
You don't visit them for "objective critique"...	SidDithers	Mar 2012	#140
LOL	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#37
WoW! Thanks for introducing some historical context.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#41
Ironically, the OP's source was founded by one of the greatest Senators that ever served--	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#49
I couldn't agree more.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#63
Right wing wackos agree with you.	girl gone mad	Mar 2012	#48
Yeah,	ProSense	Mar 2012	#53
Apparently, the RW wackos bothered to do the research the 'progressive' editor didn't do....	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#55
Hard to tell the "rightwing wackos" from the "leftwing wackos" these days. They use the same.....	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#59
Now, now don't pile on. They have to find some way to explain their blind, mindless recs	Number23	Mar 2012	#147
The acorn doesn't fall from the tree, huh?	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#149
posts like these make DU suck	inna	Mar 2012	#165
Please go find something else to do.	Number23	Mar 2012	#166
"you've had alot of fun and practice making this place suck"	inna	Mar 2012	#168
You are the queen of	Number23	Mar 2012	#169
"You sound like a crazy person who is bored out of their skull!"	inna	Mar 2012	#170
This is the comment to which I'm referring	Number23	Mar 2012	#175
wow, dude, everything ok in the meat world, i hope?...	inna	Mar 2012	#180
"everything ok in the meat world"	Number23	Mar 2012	#181
not even reading your crap	inna	Mar 2012	#182
Don't go away mad but PLEASE GOD just go away	Number23	Mar 2012	#183
"I have Absolutely NOTHING Intelligent to Say" -dude, lol, quit effing projecting	inna	Mar 2012	#171
You obviously have alot of time	Number23	Mar 2012	#176
How about you both just put eachother on ignore...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#177
And this concerns you... how, exactly?	Number23	Mar 2012	#178
This is a public forum...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#179
btw, EVERYBODY should read this, to "get" what i'm talking about:	inna	Apr 2012	#184
No, the facts agree with him/her. This post is too crazy for WND.	geek tragedy	Mar 2012	#136
Oh, that's awesome...	SidDithers	Mar 2012	#81
Apparently he is an actual Rothschild. So I will note the delicious irony	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#85
FDR was a 1%er,	bvar22	Mar 2012	#90
Is he related to this one? If so, that says it all.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#119
You have found the place at DU where "no shame exists"	grantcart	Apr 2012	#189
Here is a scenario for you to ponder...this is all happening in peacetime between all major players.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2012	#36
Bad misinterpretation of the EO. But, it serves your purpose,	MineralMan	Mar 2012	#38
Decency expects every citizen to do their duty....	MrScorpio	Mar 2012	#42
I've always been in favor of decency. Now what is our primary duty as citizens?	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#43
How will you accomplish that goal?	Ikonoklast	Mar 2012	#47
Well,	ProSense	Mar 2012	#50
Just the Outrage Du Jour.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2012	#57
Great analogy.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2012	#144
You are nailing it.	truedelphi	Mar 2012	#52
But	ProSense	Mar 2012	#54
Why are you bringing historical facts into a perfectly good anti-Clinton/Obama rant? nt	msanthrope	Mar 2012	#56
I Don't think you have proven your point to me.	truedelphi	Mar 2012	#75
If you oppose Pres. Obama so much as you always seem to do	MrScorpio	Mar 2012	#61
When Obama does the right thing I support him. When he advocates bad policies I oppose them.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#69
As Eisenhower would remind us this really isn't anything new -	TBF	Mar 2012	#45
A permanent military emergency is not okay just because it's been around forever.	JackRiddler	Mar 2012	#70
In my opinion you've got to get rid of capitalism if	TBF	Mar 2012	#71
oh, it's you again.	Sheepshank	Mar 2012	#51
My thoughts exactly.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#64
.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2012	#139
Does this mean that Obama could, as a necesary act of 'national secuirty'	Rosco T.	Mar 2012	#66
Obama did not say that. Dishonest CRAP headline.	Whisp	Mar 2012	#67
Did someone say he did? The author wrote that. That's why he's called the author!	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#78
I've developed a habit here of not reading the continuous false crap by certain posters.	Whisp	Mar 2012	#102
So does that mean you have withdrawn your mistaken claim that Obama was quoted in the caption?	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#155
others here thought it was a misleading title.	Whisp	Mar 2012	#163
While this isn't a major step off the cliff,	bvar22	Mar 2012	#68
"In 2008, I had expected our Constitution Scholar to Walk us Back from the edge...."	Robb	Mar 2012	#96
You MUST have missed this part:	bvar22	Mar 2012	#99
Struck a nerve, eh?	Robb	Mar 2012	#110
Yes you struck a nerve.	bvar22	Mar 2012	#128
To the contrary.	Robb	Mar 2012	#130
Another failed attempt.	bvar22	Mar 2012	#132
Okey doke.	Robb	Mar 2012	#133
If you want to argue that issuing the updated EO doesn't move us to the left, I get it.	onenote	Mar 2012	#100
"substantively different".. NO, and I was very clear about that in my post.	bvar22	Mar 2012	#109
Sorry. When you said this "inched us closer" I didn't realize that you viewed standing still	onenote	Mar 2012	#117
Putting the official Democratic Party Seal of Approval...	bvar22	Mar 2012	#131
The official Democratic Party seal was already on it from 1994	onenote	Mar 2012	#134
This post is creepy and misleading. Nothing new from this source.	Pisces	Mar 2012	#72
I am happy to see that others are finally joining the suspicion that I have written for months.	bluestate10	Mar 2012	#138
Are you suggesting that I fit that category? If so, what do you base your personal attack on?	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#143
I don't think he's "suggesting" at all	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#162
This is a paranoid misunderstanding of the EO.	Odin2005	Mar 2012	#73
Keep trying...nt	SidDithers	Mar 2012	#76
This is nothing compared to	Revelyell	Mar 2012	#82
You know it's an utter fail when your regular defenders are MIA.	great white snark	Mar 2012	#88
"CREEPY" is ...	bvar22	Mar 2012	#91
"Creepy"	ProSense	Mar 2012	#92
Guilty as charged, mam!	bvar22	Mar 2012	#127
nice attempt to shift attention from the epic poutrage fail...	dionysus	Mar 2012	#105
The Progressive has lower standards than WND. Objectively and indisputably	geek tragedy	Mar 2012	#137
YOu made my day by making a very good	truedelphi	Mar 2012	#151
Oh for frack's face this is an update to an executive order	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2012	#101
Updated, refined, clarified, and re-issued.	bvar22	Mar 2012	#108
If you've noticed something specific that makes this worse than the EO it replaces	onenote	Mar 2012	#116
keep trying.	dionysus	Mar 2012	#103
What's creepy is this hyperbolic characterization of an updated EO.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2012	#107
why, are you insinuating that the anti dem campaign isn't working?	dionysus	Mar 2012	#115
shit doesn't work without a flashlight	AtomicKitten	Mar 2012	#129
!	dionysus	Mar 2012	#141
Sheriff Arpaio writes for The Progressive now. More fodder for the nutjob	geek tragedy	Mar 2012	#135
That's totally false. The Progressive hates him. What's your source for that bull shit?	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#142
They doan need no stinkin sources.	bvar22	Mar 2012	#152
Right. That's an old propaganda technique used against uninformed people.	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#156
!	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#159
lol, projection at its finest isn't it!	dionysus	Mar 2012	#164
exactly.	inna	Mar 2012	#157
kr	inna	Mar 2012	#153
starting a fire then fanning the flames... typical tricky dick inspired repuke politics	roman7	Mar 2012	#160
The "Executive Order" is what it is. I am sure the usual DU mob will attack anyway.	L0oniX	Mar 2012	#167
Kick	Better Believe It	Mar 2012	#173
DEBUNKED.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2012	#174
Kick	Bobbie Jo	Apr 2012	#185
Wait a minute, I thought liberals wanted the government to be able to step in	treestar	Apr 2012	#187

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