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In the discussion thread: Under FLA's Stand Your Ground Law, An African American Man Can Shoot Zimmerman [View all]

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:05 PM

tblue37 (11,700 posts)

21. He is a white Hispanic, just as Salma Hayek is an Lebanese Hispanic, and

some Hispanics are Black, like Sammy Sosa, or Asian, like Alberto Fujimori, the former president of Peru, whose family came to Peru from Japan.

Hispanic = ethnicity, NOT race.

If a German or Germanic (white) couple named, for example, Heinrich or Zimmerman, immigrates to, say, Mexico and they have kids who then grow up speaking Spanish as their main language and thinking of Mexico as their home country and Mexican culture as their primary culture, then those kids are Hispanic, but still white.

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69 replies	Author	Time	Post
Under FLA's Stand Your Ground Law, An African American Man Can Shoot Zimmerman [View all]	Yavin4	Mar 2012	OP
And it would still be a violation of the victim's civil rights.	no_hypocrisy	Mar 2012	#1
If it were any other state, I could see concerned legislators gathering to	ChairmanAgnostic	Mar 2012	#2
Almost every state has "stand your ground" type laws.	TheWraith	Mar 2012	#16
It has had a chilling effect here in Florida	csziggy	Mar 2012	#50
It tripled "justifiable homicides". I believe that officially qualifies as "blood in the streets".	ieoeja	Mar 2012	#63
No, it didn't.	TheWraith	Mar 2012	#68
But would people call it a hate crime	johnnie	Mar 2012	#3
No, they'd call it a hate crime because of Zimmerman's own comments on tape	csziggy	Mar 2012	#52
Sounds right to me	Politicalboi	Mar 2012	#4
No, only caucasians have the right to shoot anybody under this law	tularetom	Mar 2012	#5
Then how did it apply to Zimmerman, an Hispanic? . . .	Journeyman	Mar 2012	#8
Because Latinos come in every shade of the rainbow	EFerrari	Mar 2012	#12
He is a white Hispanic, just as Salma Hayek is an Lebanese Hispanic, and	tblue37	Mar 2012	#21
he is not white, he is mestizo.	provis99	Mar 2012	#33
No ...	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2012	#6
If this asshat gets away with murder, it's going to set race relations back 50 years.	BlueJazz	Mar 2012	#7
On Amy's show today, I heard that nearly half the states have similar laws. n/t	EFerrari	Mar 2012	#9
Not entirely, but close	zipplewrath	Mar 2012	#10
the real world doesn't work like that	JI7	Mar 2012	#11
Under the law, technically, yes	kdmorris	Mar 2012	#13
That's the conclusion we reached in another thread.	Baitball Blogger	Mar 2012	#15
If he had a gun, they would use it as proof he was looking for trouble	fascisthunter	Mar 2012	#32
Yup.	Baitball Blogger	Mar 2012	#36
The Florida law does NOT state that ...	spin	Mar 2012	#23
Does not state what?	kdmorris	Mar 2012	#40
The enforcement of the law should be fair ...	spin	Mar 2012	#43
Most of the time, I feel like all of Florida is lagging behind	kdmorris	Mar 2012	#47
You are intentionally ignoring the requirement of reasonableness that is explicitly in the law	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#28
"reasonable" is from the point of view of the shooter.	provis99	Mar 2012	#34
No, reasonableness ultimately gets decided by a jury in a criminal trial	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#37
Which is why Zimmerman is being charged by the local authorities...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#38
The case has been handed over to a grand jury	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#42
No but criminal investigations should be...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#44
George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin should have been given toxicology tests	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#49
Trayvon Martin would be as part of the autopsy. n/t	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#51
The family's attorney stated that toxicology tests were run on Trayvon's body. They were negative.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#57
The ONLY reason this case was finally handed to a grand jury is due to public outcry.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#56
Are you saying that the Florida SA doesn't review all homicides?	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#58
The police chief was quoted as saying that the DA saw no evidence to press charges.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#59
Wow. If that's true the problem is much bigger than Sanford PD.	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#60
The last three paragraphs in the article at this link:	yardwork	Mar 2012	#61
A lot of people are going to be very disappointed if Zimmerman isn't charged with a crime	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#62
I agree that it's still a possibility and if so, it will cause a huge ruckus.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#65
I don't know if it is the same	laundry_queen	Mar 2012	#45
What you have articulated sounds exactly the same as jury instructions I've gotten in the USA	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#48
I'm glad you got those jury instructions	laundry_queen	Mar 2012	#53
I am not intentionally ignoring anything.	kdmorris	Mar 2012	#39
We just had that discussion.	Baitball Blogger	Mar 2012	#14
You didn't read the statute? Says that only "scary" people can be shot by "scared" property-holders	leveymg	Mar 2012	#17
He's already be under a prison somewhere. n/t	ingac70	Mar 2012	#18
I listened to Faux a few minutes ago and they are saying	doc03	Mar 2012	#19
Zimmerman should never have stepped his racist ass out of his vehicle as DIRECTED by 911.	CakeGrrl	Mar 2012	#22
Direction by 911 operators is not required to be followed	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#26
I wonder how Zimmerman got bloodied. Probably while he was attacking Trayvon.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#24
Me either. Especially when you listen to the two women (it's playing on CNN)	ScreamingMeemie	Mar 2012	#54
Are those the witnesses that the police kept "correcting?"	yardwork	Mar 2012	#55
No. He has to have reason to expect an imminent attack that would ...	spin	Mar 2012	#20
Not at all	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#25
No, and I feel it is counterproductive for you to post such hysterical hyperbole on this forum	slackmaster	Mar 2012	#27
Seconded.	randome	Mar 2012	#30
Should have been my son	malaise	Mar 2012	#29
yup.... he stalked him	fascisthunter	Mar 2012	#31
It's not about 'feeling threatened', as much as some media has been portraying it as such.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#35
But since it's been a month with no arrest,	Doctor_J	Mar 2012	#66
It's the Sanford PD that's the root of this..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#67
He'd be under the jail	ecstatic	Mar 2012	#41
When in America's 236 year history would it be ok for a black man	fluchen	Mar 2012	#46
Thoretically. Realistically? Black man arrested in a nanosecond. -nt	CakeGrrl	Mar 2012	#64
I've said this exact thing since I first read about this.........	socialist_n_TN	Mar 2012	#69

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