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159. its called whistleblowing on criminal activity

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 11:08 PM

Jan 2014

perhaps you are not aquainted with exposing criminal activity by the nsa?

Eddies? Are you also concerned with pole dancing and boxes?

Do tell us "sheshe2"

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The Snowden Revelation That Might Start a War [View all] sheshe2 Jan 2014 OP

If the revelation of spying is apt to start a war DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #1

My question, exactly n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #2

Are you okay with the fact that he is dumping sheshe2 Jan 2014 #16

I put a question out there. You replied with a different question. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #21

I'll answer it. It is highly probable that Indonesia knew the Aussies would try, and likely, succeed okaawhatever Jan 2014 #27

Well, you started to answer, but you got sidetracked and blamed me for refugees' woes DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #30

That's the question I'd love to have answered in this thread Aerows Jan 2014 #31

No one seems to want to answer it. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #34

No, I did answer. It's the revelation itself. I don't buy the meme that the issue was the spying okaawhatever Jan 2014 #53

I would like to hear an answer to that also. n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #58

Well when you don't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't answered... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #122

Ahhh . . . why is Aussie/Indonesia covert operations our business? brush Jan 2014 #154

but that's not what's being discussed DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #158

Huh? brush Jan 2014 #184

If no one is shocked, if everyone knew, then your reason for warfare just evaporated. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #218

Guess you haven't kept up with the latest on the Aussie/Indonesia situation. nt brush Jan 2014 #252

Your question: JDPriestly Jan 2014 #309

It's not a nonsensical claim. Igel Jan 2014 #216

If someone starts a war to save face, that entity is responsible for the war. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #219

This is the most eloquent defense of this position I have seen in this thread TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #245

A betrayed wife has the choice to stay with her husband or leave him. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #312

If Indonesia or Australia claimed to be starting a war over this, it is m JDPriestly Jan 2014 #307

It seem like Manning and Snowden were very similar yet people here defend Manning and attack Snowden Travis_0004 Jan 2014 #66

Manning stayed and faced the charges. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #76

You showed no respect for Manning when she was in the news, prior to conviction. Marr Jan 2014 #91

Seriously Marr? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #102

So where are the links that you have accused me of defaming Manning? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #117

So you are blatantly ignoring the content and simply looking at the veneer. cui bono Jan 2014 #295

Ah, who is really defending their idol... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #297

I have no idol. I am against unconstitutionalNSA domestic spying. cui bono Jan 2014 #299

LOL, yes, then his ass would be in jail already. Biased much? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #116

yep. I'm fine with it. since you asked. I'm less fine with your beloved NSA cali Jan 2014 #212

Sorry cali... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #244

Citation please for how Snowden is "dumping these documents willy nilly". cui bono Jan 2014 #290

Because 1) he could not have just walked up to a member of JDPriestly Jan 2014 #305

It's not an either/or question. -eom gcomeau Jan 2014 #50

I think its pretty naive iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #69

Every country has their own KT2000 Jan 2014 #75

I blame the revelation. Spying is a fact of life. All countries with the capability do it. pnwmom Jan 2014 #81

Exactly. I'm so sick of hearing that bullshit that 1awake Jan 2014 #83

So how will you ever learn just what was leaked to other countries? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #125

If a tree falls in a forest and...nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #134

the daily banter? grasswire Jan 2014 #3

Shh! Aerows Jan 2014 #9

You missed "liar" and "coward". [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #73

Snowden was unfriendly to his neighbors in Hawaii. QC Jan 2014 #100

Well you forgot to bring Greenwald into it. cui bono Jan 2014 #296

As Charles Pierce said, diplomacy is hard when you're stupid. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #4

Charles Pierce Aerows Jan 2014 #5

At the behest of the NSA? No pone else is claiming that. Australia has it's own spy agency and has okaawhatever Jan 2014 #32

The program that the OP and Pierce are referring to is an NSA program Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #98

"Five Eyes" Aerows Jan 2014 #186

Yes. But Stateroom is an NSA program eliciting the assistance of our "Five Eyes" partners. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #202

Libertarians are salivating at the thought of Snowden's revelations starting a war Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #6

Because Libertarians, Progressives Aerows Jan 2014 #10

Progressives love starting wars? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #13

You were the one discussing Aerows Jan 2014 #14

My post was specific to Libertarians Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #15

Oh, so YOU specifically are a Progressive? Please stand up and IDENTIFY in this thread :D n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #18

Nowehere did I say Progressives wanted to start a war Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #24

Ah ah ah Aerows Jan 2014 #25

You're a Progressive? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #26

Did I lose my credentials Aerows Jan 2014 #29

Based on your replies to me.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #33

I'm thrilled you recognize conservative behavior Aerows Jan 2014 #38

Yep....you definitely have it down Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #41

Oh, I will Aerows Jan 2014 #43

"I am a proud Progressive" Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #45

Are you a Progressive? Aerows Jan 2014 #46

LOL....you think I'm gonna play your conservative games? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #48

I think you knew Aerows Jan 2014 #52

You replied to me first, dear. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #57

Oh, I think the point was made Aerows Jan 2014 #88

"I am a proud Progressive" Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #90

Interesting question Aerows Jan 2014 #92

That was the question I posed to you. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #96

Well Aerows Jan 2014 #97

There are numerous people I've disagreed with, but I still remember their names Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #99

Okay Aerows Jan 2014 #103

You're the one who initially replied to me claiming I said Progressives love to start wars Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #104

And you also Aerows Jan 2014 #106

LOL. There you go again Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #107

Yes, well Aerows Jan 2014 #108

You really have a hard time understanding what people say Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #110

Well Aerows Jan 2014 #111

I usually do forget people who cannot engage in policy discussions Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #112

Alright Aerows Jan 2014 #113

You really need to stop twisting people's words Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #114

Have a good night n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #115

In the future, don't misrepresent what people say Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #193

Enough, you two brush Jan 2014 #172

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #214

Oh...look who's back from their timeout Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #215

Every country is spying on each other....that is not news at all... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #126

He certainly is front page news for the last week flamingdem Jan 2014 #17

I think he wants to come home very badly... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #19

It is winter over there flamingdem Jan 2014 #35

That is indeed food for thought, flamingdem. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #37

Imagine being in a Russian winter...unable to drink. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #59

He can't drink? flamingdem Jan 2014 #63

Comrade Eddie claims adult-onset epilepsy. The number one cause of that is alcoholism. msanthrope Jan 2014 #67

A Bill Frist-style remote diagnosis. What part of law school covers medical diagnoses? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #124

Dude...Comrade Eddie's PR team spoke openly about his illness until they msanthrope Jan 2014 #204

Oh, yes he can. The results aren't pretty, though. He's there for the free-dumbs. BTW, freshwest Jan 2014 #269

LOL. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #121

Wodka or Gin? flamingdem Jan 2014 #127

Wodka that is kept in the freezer! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #131

You guys are funny, in a sad sort of way. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #156

+1 Phlem Jan 2014 #231

So. He controls the news, does he? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #23

You must be a Libertarian Aerows Jan 2014 #28

and that is the modern day conservative behavior. nt neverforget Jan 2014 #77

Guess who else calls themselves "Progressive"? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #129

oh myyyyy... Hillary considers herself a progressive... Whisp Jan 2014 #147

or perhaps the term Progressive is meaningless... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #151

Yeh, some Progressives want Instant Gratification Whisp Jan 2014 #152

If I remember it correctly...it was Hillary using it...the first time I heard it! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #153

Well, she did work with them (Goldman Sachs) AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #274

Obama is not much like the Clintons Whisp Jan 2014 #275

Well, he is definitely to their right politically AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #279

to their right? Whisp Jan 2014 #280

Very much so AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #291

Of course he's to the right of the Clintons. Why do you think he isn't? n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #298

lol Whisp Jan 2014 #308

TPP, escalation of BushCo's domestic spying, banksters in the WH.... cui bono Jan 2014 #313

Tell me about it. Phlem Jan 2014 #232

Well, this story came back up because the Australian FM said she spies 'for human freedom' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #40

thank you for that distinction. nt grasswire Jan 2014 #227

...is a monumentally stupid thing to assert. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #161

Libertarians want chaos and disorder Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #191

Where are you getting your ideas about Libertarian beliefs/desires? n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #301

From those same Libertarian dumbasses. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #318

Non-answer, but thanks for playing. cui bono Jan 2014 #319

You seem awfully defensive when it comes to me going after libertarians..... Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #320

Not at all. But you keep avoiding answering my questions, and now you're trying to deflect. cui bono Jan 2014 #321

Yep...very very defensive Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #322

Really? How so? And why are you avoiding answering a simple question? cui bono Jan 2014 #331

Many people here use the word "libertarian' QC Jan 2014 #205

That's not the only similarity to teabaggers. But I disagree with you on using ignore. cui bono Jan 2014 #332

But in secret she has a thing for Snowden. Phlem Jan 2014 #234

Yes, there or here. All the better to install their fascist Koch brothers dystopia. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #271

What? Libertarians want war? Since when? Links please. n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #300

LOL Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #323

See, you have absolutely no answer to that. Why do you bother to post here? cui bono Jan 2014 #324

I touched a nerve, eh? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #325

No, you didn't. That's another little ploy people like you like to use. I'm simply trying to get cui bono Jan 2014 #326

Oh yes I did. It's quite obvious my statement about libertarians has you grinding your teeth Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #327

Yes you did what? Answer my question? Nope. What is this the 5th time you are avoiding it? cui bono Jan 2014 #328

So very defensive of libertarians. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #329

How so? And why do you refuse to answer a simple question? Where you get your info? cui bono Jan 2014 #330

Perhaps Australia shouldn't have been committing illegal acts of espionage LittleBlue Jan 2014 #7

Which Australian law makes the actions illegal?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #12

International laws make it illegal LittleBlue Jan 2014 #20

Hardly Egnever Jan 2014 #123

since when is a "covenant" a law? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #132

How does apply in cases of foreign intelligence? Adrahil Jan 2014 #209

Illegal? Who says so? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #130

Thanks for that. Phlem Jan 2014 #236

what's "reckless and ill-conceived" is the DSD tapping Yudhoyono's phone.... mike_c Jan 2014 #8

well, I learned something about the blogger grasswire Jan 2014 #229

Cesca lives in Hawaii? WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #246

hmmmmmmmm..... grasswire Jan 2014 #333

The Obama fan base is throwing everything at Snowden hoping something finally sticks. Broward Jan 2014 #11

Snowden needs no help from us.... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #160

Why do you call him Eddie? Are you his friend? I believe he goes by Edward. Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #181

I think of him as Eddie Haskell on Leave it to Beaver~ sheshe2 Jan 2014 #183

Now I see why your thoughts are so deep on this subject. cui bono Jan 2014 #302

It is commonplace in criminal enterprises to blame the one who speaks too. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #22

This site is infested with a particularly insidious cadre of posters Maedhros Jan 2014 #78

Damn, that made me laugh mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #86

I can imagine these types interacting with one another: Maedhros Jan 2014 #89

It has indeed, Maedhros! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #182

Did you just make a post demonstrating the exact behavior I was mocking? [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #206

Yes. But since she used the :rofl: smiley she automatically wins the argument. cui bono Jan 2014 #303

Sorry, couldn't help it. Phlem Jan 2014 #237

"Revelations" do NOT "start wars". bvar22 Jan 2014 #36

What are you trying to do dampen the "lynch Snowden" movement? The conservatives among us rhett o rick Jan 2014 #175

And another Thank You bvarr22 Phlem Jan 2014 #240

The revelation is the problem, not the spying. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #39

A dumping of the documents all over the world is the work of a hero! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #47

Documents were given by Snowden to two individuals (Greenwald and Poitras) Maedhros Jan 2014 #80

I'm pretty sure the answer to your question mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #93

So how do you know for a fact that China and Russia got nothing from the laptops? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #144

That makes...little or no sense.[n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #166

Seriously? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #169

This: Maedhros Jan 2014 #173

You made the claim. bvar22 Jan 2014 #217

What claim? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #251

So how do you know for a fact that China and Russia got anything from the laptops? AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #278

Oh let us be honest here... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #283

Your defense of blanket authoritarianism is duly noted AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #287

As is yours... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #289

I don't defend blanket authoritarianism AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #292

Good for you... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #293

Indeed, good for me AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #294

somehow judicious and GG should Not be in the same sentence. Whisp Jan 2014 #149

Really? So you can show that he has not been judicious? cui bono Jan 2014 #304

Hmmm... don;t think I agree with your use of "judicious." Adrahil Jan 2014 #210

I'm not an imperialist, so I'm not worried about the weakening of our international hegemony Maedhros Jan 2014 #211

First please don't put words in my mouth. Adrahil Jan 2014 #213

you really believe this? Phlem Jan 2014 #241

It's what I want, not what I think is immediately achievable. NT Adrahil Jan 2014 #247

and one person deciding for everyone else what should remain private....is the work of a "hero" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #135

More misinformation Talking Points posted by the defenders of the NSA. bvar22 Jan 2014 #220

Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #222

Please post links to support your claim. bvar22 Jan 2014 #223

Easy Peasy...see for yourself! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #224

And THAT thread has NOTHING to do with Snowden. bvar22 Jan 2014 #225

it doesn't? hahahaha... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #226

I smell something burning. bvar22 Jan 2014 #228

Uh no....best check your "hero worshipping status" indicator light VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #230

Oh silly bvar... can't you see VR just won the argument? cui bono Jan 2014 #306

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #257

go back to the library. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #258

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #260

I will miss you. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #261

10 internet points to anyone Aerows Jan 2014 #42

I'll raise you 10 for the first picture posted of Paul Revere. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #51

Isn't Sid the one that usually posts that? n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #54

As you know it's~ sheshe2 Jan 2014 #64

Didn't that person Aerows Jan 2014 #65

Thumbdrive has turned into flamingdem Jan 2014 #60

This is how the modern day Paul Revere gets his Kicks: Whisp Jan 2014 #235

You know that gets me going, gotta get up outta my flamingdem Jan 2014 #238

omg lol. you forgot the thumb drive stuck up his ass... Whisp Jan 2014 #233

See #53 above (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #61

So are we going to war with Australia? Or Indonesia? SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #44

War? Australia? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #56

I think we have already chosen sides .... MindMover Jan 2014 #70

Yes, plenty of opportunities in Aussieland. They've been hiring Americans since last year, IIRC. freshwest Jan 2014 #270

The Australian Spying That Might Start a War Fumesucker Jan 2014 #49

Not Widely Reported In The United States Was That We Were LIED Into A War With Iraq... WillyT Jan 2014 #55

This is why secrecy's so critical. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #68

Good Point... WillyT Jan 2014 #79

At least Snowden will get some attention. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #62

On the bonfire of the vanities of media. I keep thinking of that Bond flick with the Murdoch type freshwest Jan 2014 #273

zomg Snowden is going to kills us alllll! Union Scribe Jan 2014 #71

Good, bad or indifferent Politicub Jan 2014 #72

Hyperbolic bullshit. blackspade Jan 2014 #74

Simple remedy. Stop spying. Which is what all the kerfluffle is about, not Snowden's revelations. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #82

So all countries to cease the practice of espionage against other countries? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #84

I agree. Interesting to see a step towards peace. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #85

What would be the mechanism for enforcement? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #87

Well, if nobody's spying, we wouldn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #128

Yes, but is it possible to get all all countries in the world to stop spying? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #143

You don't. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #145

Blamo HangOnKids Jan 2014 #196

Yeah like thats going to happen....good luck! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #136

Certainly won't happen if we allow the likes of the NSA to continue. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #138

is a woman is raped, and there is a person that witnesses it frwrfpos Jan 2014 #94

This excuse has been worn out for months. Yes we would report the crime, we would Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #105

but the crime continues and is supported by the likes of you and others that see no issue with it frwrfpos Jan 2014 #133

Based on your reasoning if you saw a crime of someone breaking in and raping someone you Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #140

If i witnessed a crime I would gather details and expose the criminals frwrfpos Jan 2014 #142

Did I say he had given anything to China or Russia? I said he went to Hong Kong and Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #157

then we both agree he has been falsely charged by the us government frwrfpos Jan 2014 #162

No, the investigators has determined he has stolen files resulting in charges of Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #163

the investigators work for the government that illegally and criminally spied on US citizens frwrfpos Jan 2014 #165

I have to tell you, your dog don't hunt. Just who does Snowden work? Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #168

Im so glad we agree that the NSA is corrupt to the core. frwrfpos Jan 2014 #177

What words did I post which said NSA is corrupt? I did not say nor do I think they are corrupt. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #192

Obama Signs Whistleblower Protection Bill into Law sheshe2 Jan 2014 #176

Exactly, many have worked under a non disclosure, our education was a once a year review. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #194

Obama Whistleblower Prosecutions Lead To Chilling Effect On Press cui bono Jan 2014 #310

false analogy.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #137

spying illegally on Americans is illegal. Rape is illegal frwrfpos Jan 2014 #139

I am appalled that you would have the audacity to compare Eddies leaking documents sheshe2 Jan 2014 #155

its called whistleblowing on criminal activity frwrfpos Jan 2014 #159

Actually no I am not concerned with pole dancing and boxes... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #164

dont know frwrfpos Jan 2014 #167

have you been here before? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #171

have you? frwrfpos Jan 2014 #174

not at all ... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #178

It Is clear she is HangOnKids Jan 2014 #197

Wrong... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #249

Because you say so? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #254

Since I know myself better than you, yes because I said so. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #255

Hysterical much? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #259

Hysterical much? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #263

Nice try. William769 Jan 2014 #264

Hey! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #276

Naw, I'm just giving some of my southern charm that I'm known to be famous for. William769 Jan 2014 #277

Eddie is not a "whistleblower".. Cha Jan 2014 #170

Go get 'em, Cha brush Jan 2014 #179

Excellent analysis, brush.. Cha Jan 2014 #180

More Eddie, huh. Reminds me of when Freeper types refer to the President by his middle name. Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #185

Sorry, you don't like Edward Snowden being refered to as Eddie.. but, that Cha Jan 2014 #187

You work for the State Department now Cha? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #200

Results of jury review: D23MIURG23 Jan 2014 #267

Ha Ha Ha! HangOnKids Jan 2014 #268

Wow, a clean sweep. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #286

That fits the definition, doesn't it? freshwest Jan 2014 #281

ES.. the venal Cha Jan 2014 #282

Hey, we didn't say it first. GG did. Truth will out. I'm not mad, just sad that this is what is now freshwest Jan 2014 #284

Of course he is a whistleblower. And he will always be a whistleblower in this case cui bono Jan 2014 #288

Authoritarians never, ever blame the authority. Marr Jan 2014 #95

So Marr...where are all those links sheshe2 Jan 2014 #250

Well, here's one that took about 1 minute to find. Marr Jan 2014 #256

about to watch Sotu...so this is fast... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #262

Ah yeah the poster that promoted that trash the Left website ThePeoplesView. neverforget Jan 2014 #265

Thank you for this invaluable information via Bob Cesca, she.. Cha Jan 2014 #101

Great Links! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #109

Loaded for bear! Cha Jan 2014 #148

Interesting thought treestar Jan 2014 #118

Unmitigated bullshit. Australia wants to scape goat Snowden for their impropriety. morningfog Jan 2014 #120

So it's revealing the wrongdoing that's the problem? That's bullshit. Scuba Jan 2014 #141

Responsible custody of sensitive information moondust Jan 2014 #146

As usual, the moment Snowden and leaking arises, defacto7 Jan 2014 #150

How much does HBGary pay you to spew this horseshit? backscatter712 Jan 2014 #188

Cute~ sheshe2 Jan 2014 #190

Just like back Cha Jan 2014 #199

It's more like, "How much ad money did The Daily Bullcrap make from obvious click bait?" Dash87 Jan 2014 #208

"You broke up my marriage, telling my wife I was fucking your wife" TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #189

Good analogy, except the consequence isn't near as drastic (nt) anti partisan Jan 2014 #198

The logic is the same regardless of scale. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #201

Not trying to criticize the logic. My bad. (nt) anti partisan Jan 2014 #203

I looked in Webster's for "grasping at straws" and came up with this article anti partisan Jan 2014 #195

A war? Really? Dash87 Jan 2014 #207

There will be no war AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #272

It's funny that those who condemn Daniel Ellsberg... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #221

And it is the same people pushing the same FUD here over and over. Rex Jan 2014 #239

Well, I'll give them an "A" for persistence, but beyond that... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #242

Well we became very skeptical under the BFEE years, while some came to love the BFEE years. Rex Jan 2014 #243

None of this is news to anyone that has stepped more than eight feet outside of the US border Number23 Jan 2014 #248

Thanks Number23... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #253

FYI the ruling party of Australia is conservative. neverforget Jan 2014 #266

FYI there is no "ruling" party in Australia Number23 Jan 2014 #285

Welcome to Politics 101 anti partisan Jan 2014 #311

If you're going to insert yourself into a conversation, you could at least keep up with it Number23 Jan 2014 #314

Blah blah blah. So what's your point? anti partisan Jan 2014 #315

Again, if you're going to LEAP ass first into a conversation, at least try to keep up with it Number23 Jan 2014 #316

You're not making a point, and then personally attacking to divert that question anti partisan Jan 2014 #317