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Prophet 451

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81. I honestly think it would be much the same

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:15 PM

Jan 2014

Now, that's not to say that the racial element hasn't added some heat to things. There wouldn't be Birthers if his name was Bob Smith, for example. But the problem would be the same. There used to be a divide between the mainstream right and the crazy right but during the Clinton and Bush presidencies, that divide was eroded away, leaving the crazy right in charge and with control of all the media power of the old mainstream right.

Clinton was impeached for getting a blowjob. Carter was all but crucified by the same media that pretty much worships Reagan. Obama is the victim of the radicalization of teh Republican base and I think it would have been much teh same with any Democrat in charge.

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I often wonder if he were Caucasian with a different name [View all] madokie Jan 2014 OP

Clinton was impeached. nt Romulox Jan 2014 #1

And Carter was trashed in the media Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author madokie Jan 2014 #6

They pretty much did to Carter what they're doing to Obama now madokie Jan 2014 #80

back to the despicable tactic of broadly hinting that people who don't support the President cali Jan 2014 #4

I don't think that's the posters intention, I think poster is JaneyVee Jan 2014 #18

Ayup LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #26

Well said. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #31

I don't dislike him. I find him extremely likable. I think he's probably a good human being cali Jan 2014 #2

LOL treestar Jan 2014 #7

Wow Cali! Puglover Jan 2014 #19

yeah, there's nothing like smilies to wound one. cali Jan 2014 #20

Down at our place in Ecuador. Puglover Jan 2014 #34

They might as well rename the rofl smiley Union Scribe Jan 2014 #54

... Puglover Jan 2014 #65

No, it's hilarious that the board's chief Obama hater treestar Jan 2014 #66

And again, you guys are unable to separate disagreement with issues and 'hate'. laundry_queen Jan 2014 #69

The 5th grade is where you learn all about politics and how treestar Jan 2014 #71

Projection. It's where it's at. nt laundry_queen Jan 2014 #72

Nice try there. Puglover Jan 2014 #74

You never really loved him!!!1 QC Jan 2014 #75

Frankly QC I would Puglover Jan 2014 #76

Oh well, it's marginally better than shouting at a lesbian DUer, QC Jan 2014 #78

... Puglover Jan 2014 #79

That thing is vicious libodem Jan 2014 #86

He would be the greatest President ever and would have gotten a D Congress throughout treestar Jan 2014 #5

I would think mostly the same as far as policies go, and probably think less of him if he were quinnox Jan 2014 #8

You need to add 'and was from a silver spoon family.' They hated Clinton because he grew up poor. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #9

Bill Clinton was treated like shit BuelahWitch Jan 2014 #10

Erm...but Clinton left himself wide open with a personal character flaw. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #36

But they did believe he was born in the US treestar Jan 2014 #67

They accused him of drug smuggling and running a Murder Inc. JHB Jan 2014 #96

Maybe they would accuse him... Mike Nelson Jan 2014 #11

You mean if he looked like Clinton and was named James? Autumn Jan 2014 #12

One thing both Clinton and Carter had in common... kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #15

Please list the ways that this is different than with Clinton. JHB Jan 2014 #13

Birtherism. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #24

They insinuated he'd renounced his citizenship and was recruited by the KGB... JHB Jan 2014 #38

Clinton's nationality was never questioned. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #29

Actually, it was. At least Clinton's citizenship, which they claimed he renounced. JHB Jan 2014 #43

Right, but only the rumor that he tried to renounce it. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #63

The first President to be asked to produce his birth certificate! treestar Jan 2014 #73

I'll see you the birth certificate and raise you the "Clinton death count" n/t JHB Jan 2014 #85

YOU LIE. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #41

I failed mind-reading in school, but assuming you mean that twerk who... JHB Jan 2014 #55

Well done. That is in fact what I was referring to. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #58

I think we're arguing about octane levels in the fuel JHB Jan 2014 #90

No trumped up scandals made out of nothing treestar Jan 2014 #68

You're joking, right? Vince Foster, "wag the dog", travelgate,... JHB Jan 2014 #84

there was still at least a little of something there in each one treestar Jan 2014 #87

What were they latching onto in four investigations of Vince Foster's suicide? JHB Jan 2014 #89

He raped Juanita B. too-remember. Boomerproud Jan 2014 #94

Please tell me you left off the "They claimed he..." n/t JHB Jan 2014 #95

He is a Democrat, that is all avebury Jan 2014 #14

He would be on Mt. Rushmore by now. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #16

of course that isn't true, but can you succinctly state what he's done that you think merits him cali Jan 2014 #17

Reversing a financial meltdown, ending the Iraq war, getting OBL, JaneyVee Jan 2014 #21

OK. The Economic recovery that isn't. I'll give you expanded healthcare coverage although cali Jan 2014 #30

But the economic recovery has been spectacular... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #33

Shedding 800K jobs a month vs. 5 yrs of job growth, millions with access JaneyVee Jan 2014 #39

I look forward to a day when Americans can even elect a black president MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #22

Wait, what? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #25

Wait, he's... BLACK?! We'll I'll be damned. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #35

...then slightly over 50% of the population can't be too racist to vote for a black man. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #37

Obama's approval rating started at well over 60% MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #44

Don't all presidents lose approval rating over their term? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #46

IIRC, Reagan, Clinton, and Dim Son were substantially higher at this point. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #48

66% of that doesn't surprise me. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #51

You're right MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #60

Same argument Rush Limbaugh makes. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #42

OK, I'm busted. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #45

Much less REELECT a black president to a SECOND TERM... amiright? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #53

And he is treated normally treestar Jan 2014 #70

It's impossible to know, because there's never been a white Democratic presi... hey, wait a minute! Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #23

There would be no tea party countingbluecars Jan 2014 #27

Republicans would still hate him, but maybe some wouldn't as much. DemocraticWing Jan 2014 #28

Yep. They'd still hate him. He's a Democrat, after all. OnionPatch Jan 2014 #56

The left would feel exactly the same about him as we do now. Zorra Jan 2014 #32

A few people would like him more; a few people would dislike him more. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #40

I think it would make more difference than you might think. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #47

I don't know....."Bill Clinton" was about as caucasian sounding as you could get. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #49

They would consider him a Republican. Probably he would have run Cleita Jan 2014 #50

Racists might like him better. polichick Jan 2014 #52

Bill Clinton Renew Deal Jan 2014 #57

They do this shit to every Democrat, going back to Woodrow Wilson. eom TransitJohn Jan 2014 #59

not so treestar Jan 2014 #83

So you're limiting the discussion to filibusters, alone? TransitJohn Jan 2014 #97

The vast majority would think the same - but just use different words. karynnj Jan 2014 #61

He'd be considered mediocre Armstead Jan 2014 #62

Yep. 840high Jan 2014 #64

I don't know. They hated Bill Clinton with a passion too. They fear anything that is different liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #77

I honestly think it would be much the same Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #81

He'd still likely be trashed & ridiculed, no doubt. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #82

Something different than what they think now. Rex Jan 2014 #88

Oh they would go after his record. But not as hard. If people were given a chance to applegrove Jan 2014 #91

About the same as they do now... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #92

Well, his first name could be Hebrew sakabatou Jan 2014 #93

If he still had the same policies, I'd still think him a "centrist" rather than a progressive. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #98