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Deep13

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51. Paul's view of gender roles was pretty consistent with 1st c. norms.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jan 2014

By today's standards it seems misogynistic, but the concept is problematic when read backward in time The idea of the social equality and interchangeability of men and women is an idea that was first seriously advanced in the 19th century. In fact, early Christianity was spread mostly by women and afforded them more control over their on destinies than pagan Roman society did. During the next thousand years, times of social instability saw women exercising great agency both in secular and ecclesiastical life. The agency became restricted during times of stability which allowed the patriarchy to re-exert control.

An excellent breakdown of an often-misunderstood... Shandris Jan 2014 #1
thanks nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #2
brilliant. I love good things told correctly. They are blinded and do not see. Thank you, honey. roguevalley Jan 2014 #18
Nice exposé defacto7 Jan 2014 #3
thanks, I guess. Deep13 Jan 2014 #16
Unwilling not the same as Not Able fadedrose Jan 2014 #4
which is my whole point Deep13 Jan 2014 #15
I'll listen to Christians on this when they themselves listen to all of the bible The Straight Story Jan 2014 #5
The Bible did not exist as such until the 11th c. Deep13 Jan 2014 #12
Really interesting zentrum Jan 2014 #6
you're welcomed. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #10
It's the Bible, ie: make believe. Who cares? eom stopbush Jan 2014 #7
about a billion and a half people. Deep13 Jan 2014 #9
A lot of us do. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #42
Thank you for this well written post~ recommended n/t me b zola Jan 2014 #8
thanks nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #14
Recommend! The Lost Epistle of Deep13 to the Babblingbalonians! Zorra Jan 2014 #11
thanks, it's just an awareness that holibooks are primary source documents... Deep13 Jan 2014 #13
My pleasure. And yes, historical context seems supremely integral to reasonably accurate meaningful Zorra Jan 2014 #21
Thank you! ReRe Jan 2014 #17
Excellent post. Unknown Beatle Jan 2014 #19
A thought MFrohike Jan 2014 #20
It's willingness, not ability. Deep13 Jan 2014 #31
Yeah, I get that MFrohike Jan 2014 #41
The bible also says that placing sticks in front of mating goats gets you striped kids. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #22
I think it's a useful exercise... Deep13 Jan 2014 #34
yes and just to add florida08 Jan 2014 #23
thanks nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #35
du rec. xchrom Jan 2014 #24
Thanks for taking the time to post this. Rec. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2014 #25
A modern manifestation of Turbineguy Jan 2014 #26
Moreover... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #27
true. it is fact-specific nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #36
Too bad DU only lets us rec once. riqster Jan 2014 #28
thanks nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #37
The church at Thessalonica left is right Jan 2014 #29
His words were directed towards some men in the congregation left is right Jan 2014 #30
Thnaks, that's pretty important context. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #38
This describes the whole verse nilesobek Jan 2014 #32
Yup, and the further up the ladder it goes, the worse the sense of entitlement gets. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #40
One thing they really misconstrue in the gullible and low-information public mind calimary Jan 2014 #33
Yup, for sure. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #39
Allegory n/t Holly_Hobby Jan 2014 #43
Doesn't seem like it. Deep13 Jan 2014 #45
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 SidDithers Jan 2014 #44
Well...yeah. Deep13 Jan 2014 #46
St. Paul--what a misogynist bastard. librechik Jan 2014 #47
Paul's view of gender roles was pretty consistent with 1st c. norms. Deep13 Jan 2014 #51
well... librechik Jan 2014 #56
There is even a Gospel by Mary Magdalene - truedelphi Jan 2014 #57
+1 librechik Jan 2014 #61
Yes, Greek and Roman societies were very patriarchal and restrictive for women. Deep13 Jan 2014 #62
Interesting read and thanks for sharing el_bryanto Jan 2014 #48
I meant it more as a historical analysis, but yeah, maybe. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #50
Actually, I'm rethinking my whole premse based on this reply. ... Deep13 Jan 2014 #49
That is also what I understood it to mean. Of course, you are just making a more general comment okaawhatever Jan 2014 #53
Thanks for this deutsey Jan 2014 #52
I'm in a similar position. Deep13 Jan 2014 #54
We don't run our country by the bible upaloopa Jan 2014 #55
Are you sure? nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #63
3:10 to Yuma... Ellipsis Jan 2014 #58
DURec Worthy! bvar22 Jan 2014 #59
Acts 4:32-37 rug Jan 2014 #60
Yup, context is everything. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #64
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