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Fox. Squinch Jan 2014 #1
I have never understood why two people that claimed to have loved each other dearly bluestate10 Jan 2014 #2
Before I was divorced, I felt the same way you do. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #4
Divorce is an industry. mn9driver Jan 2014 #9
Oh so we should work for free? WolverineDG Jan 2014 #19
If you're a "family law" attorney, maybe you should. mn9driver Jan 2014 #25
Do you work for free? Or are you upset you had to pay for the problems you helped create? last1standing Jan 2014 #32
There are plenty of them.. sendero Jan 2014 #156
Yes there are a few & we know who they are (talking in terms of local bars) WolverineDG Jan 2014 #192
LOL. Anything to keep from having to take responsibility for your own problems. last1standing Jan 2014 #228
Nobody said anything. sendero Jan 2014 #241
Actually, the post I responded to said exactly that. last1standing Jan 2014 #242
Agreeing with part of what someone said.. sendero Jan 2014 #243
"Nobody said anything about anyone giving anything away." Isn't that what you wrote? last1standing Jan 2014 #244
Tsk, tsk... Changing your post after reading mine. Pathetic and sad. last1standing Jan 2014 #246
That's a seriously unfair comment for what sounds like a personal grudge jtuck004 Jan 2014 #35
Wow... we used a "family law" attorney when my husband adopted our daughter... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #39
What's your job? Do you want to work for free? nt. Hosnon Jan 2014 #65
You know most family law attorneys would be happy just to charge a flat fee WolverineDG Jan 2014 #191
Agreed and they think they should not have to pay for your time! treestar Jan 2014 #195
We all get it. You hate your clients and you think they're garbage. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #208
It only takes one party to make a big payday for both attorneys. mn9driver Jan 2014 #221
Your divorce cost $200,000 in legal fees? Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #223
Yes. mn9driver Jan 2014 #225
That's pretty much how all law civil law works Major Nikon Jan 2014 #250
$120/hr Capt13 Jan 2014 #44
Yup, my lawyer did the same to me, charged me full hours when split his actual time with several .. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #108
How do you know what he charged all 6 clients? newcriminal Jan 2014 #119
He charged but did you pay? treestar Jan 2014 #197
Fraudulent billing is standard & customary practice in the legal profession. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #133
Bullshit. newcriminal Jan 2014 #144
Which has nothing at all to do with the point made. Want to try again? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #169
Whether I misunderstood or not doesn't make your post correct. newcriminal Jan 2014 #170
LOL! You are either a complete legal novice, or you are a lawyer. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #176
I had my lawyer call me, keep me on the phone for an hour and sent me a bill for $200. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #152
Was he talking about the weather or your case? newcriminal Jan 2014 #158
Wow, you can just keep calling your clients and racking up the bills, Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #161
What a scam? newcriminal Jan 2014 #165
Yes, they could be "working". No way to verify anything really. Just "trust me". Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #172
Even better, you can simply claim to have been thinking about a case and bill it. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #171
Agreed. Over-inflated, egotistical bunch of sociopaths. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #173
So represent yourself. treestar Jan 2014 #205
Perhaps you need a different line of work, since you hate your clients. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #206
I don't; they don't mind paying me. treestar Jan 2014 #207
So in order to "play the game" you feel I must subject myself to fraudulent billing? Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #209
I guess. In your dark world you have two choices treestar Jan 2014 #210
Yes, those are the two options left to many people. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #213
What do you propose? treestar Jan 2014 #216
I don't believe that. treestar Jan 2014 #198
I think lawyers charge exorbitant fees. Not that they have to work for free. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #109
No, you should work for a better world. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #132
Lawyers whining about getting paid? 99Forever Jan 2014 #180
Maybe you shouldn't be paid either treestar Jan 2014 #200
How about you stop making unnecessary work that you get paid for? krispos42 Jan 2014 #181
If you know what work is necessary treestar Jan 2014 #214
Which only works... krispos42 Jan 2014 #232
That's admitting lawyers much know something? treestar Jan 2014 #233
All layers should be paid for by the state. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #236
EVERYTHING is set up so lawyers make money.... Bennyboy Jan 2014 #66
You're delusional. newcriminal Jan 2014 #76
The client who expects the moon handed to them on a silver platter treestar Jan 2014 #199
Jonathan Swift writes about "The Law" (such as it is) -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #219
Why shouldn't an attorney be paid in this case? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #227
I have a dipshit ex son in law.... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #11
I don't get it, either. Warpy Jan 2014 #131
It's what happens after. krispos42 Jan 2014 #185
Absolutely. treestar Jan 2014 #194
I've watched many members of my families do this. Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #211
Where does it say that he "overpays his child support and visits his son too much"? Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #3
The Lawyer said it. Gore1FL Jan 2014 #12
But that doesn't really prove anything. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #13
That's fair. I never claimed otherwise. Gore1FL Jan 2014 #15
Thanks. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #17
What? Ralph Scott Jan 2014 #136
Are you talking to me? Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #139
He paid very erratically, according to the article. Other than that quote, pnwmom Jan 2014 #135
I just answered the question: Gore1FL Jan 2014 #179
Something very similar happened to my husband Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #5
I had to bail his ass out of jail. yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #28
Definitely one of those Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #34
I used to work with somebody who couldn't get the State of California off his back Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2014 #31
The problem with California's system Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #37
God you're telling me. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #42
I'm going through the same thing... Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #95
Look out, some here might think you're being disrespectful for women Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #92
I have been a member of the DU "racist hetero patriarchy" for some time Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2014 #98
Just wish there was help for me in Missouri. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #103
As a divorced dad it's my experience that child "support" systems often start with the assumption villager Jan 2014 #36
Now, now, I've just been told Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #226
There are always available apologists for every system's excess... villager Jan 2014 #235
Yes, it's severely scary for fathers out there. The system is just itching to screw them! Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #50
Actually, non-custodial parents of either gender. For a time my ex had custody of my child GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #142
But the vast majority of NCP's are men. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #147
That statistic is changing... GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #157
I certainly hope you're right. Right now, the system just hurts kids, Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #162
Child support cannot be increased without a hearing treestar Jan 2014 #201
Apparently there was a hearing of which he was not notified. Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #212
They must have had "proof of service" in the file treestar Jan 2014 #215
You can argue all day long that the system is just, logical and legal, Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #217
I at least have court rules and statutes to back me up treestar Jan 2014 #218
Whatever, dude. Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #222
Wow that's determined to be unobjective to a great length treestar Jan 2014 #224
He didn't overpay. He paid the $3000 that owed but probably Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #6
That's ridiculous if they're going to change terms he needs to be notified Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #7
"Judge Millard tells Fox 26 after she found Hall in contempt he walked out of the courtroom" Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #8
That was very stupid on his part you should never lose your cool in court Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #10
Is 180 days normal for contempt? Bradical79 Jan 2014 #178
If he had the money to pay his arrears and he's such a responsible father LeftyMom Jan 2014 #14
I agree. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #16
Because his employer wasn't withholding from his wages properly WolverineDG Jan 2014 #20
Yes, but he gets paystubs and he knows that he has a child support obligation. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #22
Read the story again 1000words Jan 2014 #23
That's actually not always the best thing to do. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #26
My ex was making payments into the Ohio system and had to do exactly that. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #38
I know fathers who have overpaid Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #48
I have a friend at work that overpaid by around $6000 because of HER not reporting income! Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #51
Generally you have to go back to court Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #125
He did. The judge told him tough shit. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #148
My point is that it is not self-adjusting. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #166
Yes, but if the change was not made previously because of the receiving parent's fraud, Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #174
He did. The judge told him tough shit. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #148
Oh no, I meant to send the check to the CSPA (or local equivalent) NOT to the custodial parent. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #55
The problem with that is Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #126
yes but in Texas, the employer's order goes to the employer WolverineDG Jan 2014 #89
Also, if he was showing up fore visits (unscheduled) when he shouldn't be that is an issue itself. boston bean Jan 2014 #123
And any story about the system ought to be taken with a grain of salt treestar Jan 2014 #204
I would like to see the orders WolverineDG Jan 2014 #18
What bothers me is that he is being threatened with jail. Throw him in jail and it ruins madinmaryland Jan 2014 #27
If you listent to the video - Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #29
In my husband's custody, visitation & support orders in two states Mariana Jan 2014 #168
Just because pipi_k Jan 2014 #21
There is one error in your knowledge of the child support orders, Curmudgeoness Jan 2014 #43
I personally don't mind the payroll deduction. It ensures I know it is paid and that there are ... Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #49
That is very true. islanderjen Jan 2014 #254
It is interesting that the military does not garnish Curmudgeoness Jan 2014 #255
Nothing in the article, Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #24
By any chance is the child support system in Texas privatized? tartan2 Jan 2014 #30
No nt WolverineDG Jan 2014 #94
This exposes the fact that in the family court system, men are treated like garbage. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #33
The feeling you get as a dad in the system is that "all are guilty," axiomatically villager Jan 2014 #40
I was told by a judge, IN COURT, to my face... Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #67
Anybody want to tell me again that DU isn't infested with MRAs? LeftyMom Jan 2014 #41
Do you feel threatened by the notion of a man wanting equal rights to his children and... Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #46
I was raised by a single father. Don't make assuptions. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #52
Did he have to deal with a family court as far as for joint/shared custody? Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #56
Yes. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #59
So your mom was a deadbeat mom (lacking a better word for right now)? Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #62
Yeah. Drug problem. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #68
It can, but doesn't do it equally. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #69
And to view that notion as an infestation makes you just as bad as ... Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #47
Men who disrespect women aren't worthy of my respect. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #53
Oh no, you don't get to play that tired canard with me. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #58
Reread your post! You accused women of driving men away and exploiting them for money. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #60
BECAUSE SOME WOMEN DO THAT! AND USE THE SYSTEM TO DO IT! Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #63
"It lends itself"... meaning it can lead to or facilitate. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #64
I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. The math doesn't work. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #73
If you truly believe that, you haven't been paying attention. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #78
I work full-time and pay 25% of my NET income in child support. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #79
If she's on welfare, she's not getting a dime of your child support kdmorris Jan 2014 #140
No, I truly believe that because I can do basic math. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #82
Mine fell... hers went up and she doesn't even have to work for it. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #83
You said she's on welfare. They don't give that out to people who are living well. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #88
She barely works, she gets $500+ a month on food stamps, my money, tax money (yes EIC included), Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #97
No, she doesn't get those things. Your kids do. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #102
You need them 6 months and legally it's 6 months. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #104
Your kids are on welfare. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #107
I'm NOT on welfare Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #111
Nobody said you were. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #112
Sorry, it's late and I had to re-read. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #113
Her not doing well is her CHOICE. She knows she doesn't HAVE to work because ... Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #115
EIC: Not quite for divorced parents Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #128
By that measure he's supposed to claim them. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #129
Should have read the rest of the thread before I posted above kdmorris Jan 2014 #141
I've reported her for welfare fraud, but they don't investigate. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #145
I am not disputing that many men get treated unfairly kdmorris Jan 2014 #155
Yes, I'm bitter about the child custody. I've already admitted that. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #160
I get that you are frustrated kdmorris Jan 2014 #164
I know everybody has stories. We should all be working for a system that doesn't create these Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #175
I think we already did agree on that kdmorris Jan 2014 #177
Because she gets to claim them because the judge says she gets to claim them. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #151
Most domestic court systems heavily favor the mother. Hosnon Jan 2014 #72
Exactly. Men fighting that system in order to become an equal parent under the law shows... Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #77
When it really comes down to it. A lot of mothers (not all) really don't want the fathers around. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #80
So the experiences we have as fathers of being treated a certain way by the system... villager Jan 2014 #81
Oh noes the MRA Union Scribe Jan 2014 #120
Unbelievable 1000words Jan 2014 #127
That's just not true. newcriminal Jan 2014 #45
And you know this how? Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #54
My husband is a family court lawyer and I work with him. newcriminal Jan 2014 #57
So he's part of the system. If he doesn't see there's a bias, then he's lying. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #61
That's bullshit. newcriminal Jan 2014 #70
Not nearly as many women as men... not even close. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #71
Cite your data. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #87
When joint custody is not the default arrangement, the system will always favor women Major Nikon Jan 2014 #93
I don't believe that. newcriminal Jan 2014 #105
So a man that did the right thing and supported his family BEFORE the divorce, Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #106
No, I didn't. newcriminal Jan 2014 #110
So you're saying that men who worked before the divorce aren't equal parents Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #114
First, you've assumed that the father just isn't normally capable of being an equal parent Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #116
You obviously have had a bad experience with your custody battle and newcriminal Jan 2014 #117
I didn't misquote you at all. If the father worked, the mother should have the upper hand. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #118
Again I never said if the Father works the Mother should have the upper hand. newcriminal Jan 2014 #121
Both can be and often are primary care givers Major Nikon Jan 2014 #124
Here, here. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #150
Joint physical should not be the default because it does not adequately address the needs of the msanthrope Jan 2014 #183
Default does not mean all other considerations are tossed into the wind Major Nikon Jan 2014 #188
But when you change the default, you but an unreasonable burden on the primary caregiver, msanthrope Jan 2014 #189
You didn't describe why it's unreasonable Major Nikon Jan 2014 #190
First, a default that does not take into account the well-being of the child is patently msanthrope Jan 2014 #202
Custodial orders don't even happen unless the parents can't work them out on their own Major Nikon Jan 2014 #220
I think you haven't read the law you are touting. And if you have read it, you haven't msanthrope Jan 2014 #229
Do you actually think that isn't happening now? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #230
Equal parenting is not always in the best interests of the child. Sorry....but it's not. You are msanthrope Jan 2014 #234
Anecdotal evidence is shit and you either already know it or should know it Major Nikon Jan 2014 #237
I didn't give you anecdotal evidence. I gave you valid hypos which underscore the bad law you tout. msanthrope Jan 2014 #238
Which is even worse than anecdotal evidence Major Nikon Jan 2014 #239
You are the one advocating for a change in law, it is you who must provide proof that msanthrope Jan 2014 #240
How progressive of you Major Nikon Jan 2014 #245
You are using a 20-year old study to justify precisely, what? What I am not understanding msanthrope Jan 2014 #247
Ad hominem, really? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #248
I'm not disagreeing with you that shared parenting is a good thing when it is in the best interests msanthrope Jan 2014 #249
For most (if not all) jurisdictions, shared custody is not the default Major Nikon Jan 2014 #251
+1 GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #159
That is a false equivalence. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #163
Please explain what you mean GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #167
It's true, the laws are written to be equal, but those same laws don't Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #184
Or, I might add... justly. n/t GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #196
Right. Judges don't have to justify any decision they make. n/t Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #203
Anecdote. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #85
I'm not talking about deadbeat parents, I'm talking about the GOOD ONES. Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #99
With no data in hand to quantify what 'good one' means even. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #100
The ones that want to participate in their child's life. The ones that don't mind paying a Darkhawk32 Jan 2014 #101
Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #122
Not really. Why should we believe this Faux article, pnwmom Jan 2014 #138
I for one believe that Bush was busted for drunk driving. Jim Lane Jan 2014 #253
The Only Scam erpowers Jan 2014 #146
Not just men, non-custodial parents in general. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #154
I think it's the American system. defacto7 Jan 2014 #74
Sadly, some of you missed the point ecstatic Jan 2014 #75
Thanks for introducing some rational thought 1000words Jan 2014 #84
Yeah, he's highly likely to lose his job over this. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #90
I would have told that stupid judge, who in the B Calm Jan 2014 #86
Why did I know it was in Texas before I even clicked the link. TxDemChem Jan 2014 #91
Because it clearly says Houston in the post including the link. n/t tammywammy Jan 2014 #96
I guess it shows up differently on my phone. TxDemChem Jan 2014 #134
I hope he's appealing Warpy Jan 2014 #130
It says he walked out of court after she found him in contempt, pnwmom Jan 2014 #137
He'll lose. He admits there was an arrearage and he is responsible for that. Further msanthrope Jan 2014 #186
I was all prepared to have sympathy for this guy kdmorris Jan 2014 #143
Carefully reading between the lines, this person was screwing around with the support and msanthrope Jan 2014 #187
Lots of judicial discretion in family law cases. Laelth Jan 2014 #153
The article is obviously only part of the story cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #182
Why does an entire system have to be a joke due to one failure? treestar Jan 2014 #193
What a bunch of malarkey! Nine Jan 2014 #231
Support Calista241 Jan 2014 #252
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