HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Who more "progressiv... » Reply #157
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Reply #157


Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #72)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 09:10 AM

157. Wonderful post

Thank you for taking the time and effort to lay it all out there.

O'Romney Care, an actual REDUCTION of financial prosecutions in the wake of the biggest rip-off in history, a refusal to prosecute the former regime's war crimes and the continuing and dangerous erosion of civil liberties, tax cuts for the rich in a demand-driven depression, increasing medical marijuana prosecutions to aid big pharma's financial interests, a brutal Dept. of Homeland Security coordinated crackdown on Occupy Wall Street and its many affiliates, a new provision that will allow the government to declare these very protesters terrorists and indefinitely detain them without any proof of guilt, continuing a captured regulatory regime, aggressive prosecution of whistle-blowers rather than the crimes they blew the whistle on, letting corporate lobbyists continue to write legislation, arguing against a financial transaction tax in Brussels to the EU, new and expanded "free trade agreements", doing absolutely nothing of substance for the millions of homeowners who are losing their homes, making sure the banksters get theirs while the rest of us get poor, no reinstatement of Glass-Steagal, not putting the exotic financial products on an exchange where they can be regulated, working against the left wing of your own party in favor of corporatist DINOs, delaying or subverting mandates of greenhouse gas reduction in the face of a coming and imminent environmental catastrophe that is very near to reaching a point of no return. This administration's views on education reform are nothing like how I view education. they're trying to produce the most efficient and productive human resources for the unregulated global corporatist labor market (the slogan I think is to "win the future" in a race to the top) rather than producing educated, well-rounded human beings that seek harmony with their world and are capable of critical analyses of the systems they are part of.

For much of the above list, one can argue that a Republican administration would be be a little worse, or that these policies were a result of Republican obstructionism, which is true, in my opinion by design. So the administration is given the cover of "relative merit", paying lip service to the 99% (while sometimes pistol-whipping them) but fully in the pocket of the 1%, the global corporate robber barons who have used the last 30 years of deregulation to accumulate vast wealth. And this administration seems to worship the military as much as the Republicans they replaced, when our nation is broke but not too broke to continue to spend more than the rest of the world combined on its military.

You don't get anywhere good by following this path. You get Geithner, Summers, Petraeus, the Clintons and their global corporate agendas running the State Department, you get Holder who is an utterly worthless A.G. for anyone on the left, you get the D.L.C. with the logo scrubbed from the masthead but the policies are all there.

There's a fundamental that really exists (in my mind anyway, seems quite real and fundamental to me), no matter how relatively people wish to frame the election, the fundamental that overrides the relative comparisons is that this fundamentally isn't good enough. We have incredible problems, and the administration we fought so hard to elect isn't fixing them. It's not even fighting for the right fixes, it's continuing in the same wrong direction.

Why? They may be true believers in the emerging oligarchy, they may be too wary of offending their corporate donors, or they may have seen the Zapruder film. Either way, they're not on my side. They will try to sound like they're on my side, especially when elections come around, but behind the scenes they're smoking cigars with the fat cats, comfortably enjoying their membership in the club of the global elites and all of its perks, rather than putting on comfortable shoes and marching with the people in their hour of great need (and I mean truly fighting for us to the degree that the situation demands, not campaign rallies or photo ops).

I am a Democrat, and the policies I believe in are much closer to what I think of historically as the Democratic Party than the policies this administration (and before that the similar, though probably better, Clinton administration) apparently believes in.

So, for me, it's not whether they're a little better than the alternative. The slower, more gentile approach to oligarchy (and that's what it is) might more successfully get us to that oligarchy than the more transparent and clumsy Republicans, whose inability to disguise their policies would lead to massive uprisings and fierce resistance. The likeable Obamas and their very reasonable and intelligent discourse could be a better vehicle for the oligarchs than the thugs on the other side. And of course the thugs are always there to validate the "these guys are better" meme that is so effective in winning support for the administration (this applies to the down-ticket races too, not just the administration).

So I really think we have to fight, with all of our resources, for something better, no matter the odds. People will always tell us it can't be done, or it's impractical, or we're enabling the other side. I don't agree with that line of thinking. I think it's all a game of good cop - bad cop, the Democrats are the ones who are allowed to keep some degree of credibility with the general public while they institutionalize the extreme measures championed by the dangerous Republicans. We won't get anywhere we want to go with either one, it's a false choice and a fatal one if we keep making it.

What to do?

Primary from the left at every opportunity. I can't stress that enough.

Work for constitutional amendments to get corporate money out of elections and to overturn corporate personhood. Occupy the streets.

Don't accept the "good cop" Obama without fighting like all hell for someone who truly represents our interests.

Finally, we have to Occupy the Democratic Party, take it back from the corporatists.

They planned this long ago, look into the roots of the DLC and the corporate Democrats if you don't believe me, our party has been co-opted and our country has been destroyed. It's up to us to take it back. We'll probably fail, but the road we've been on for 30 years is a guaranteed fail. We need to realize the scope of the mess we're in and fight with everything we've got. Our children's future depends on it. As does our planet, and as insane as that sounds, it's no exaggeration.

Reply to this post

Back to OP Alert abuse Link to post in-thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 167 replies Author Time Post
RBInMaine Dec 2011 OP
tridim Dec 2011 #1
MH1 Dec 2011 #69
JTFrog Dec 2011 #162
JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #86
tblue Dec 2011 #105
patrice Dec 2011 #115
JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #135
AmericaIsGreat Dec 2011 #150
CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #2
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #57
patrice Dec 2011 #116
MrTriumph Dec 2011 #3
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #56
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #58
JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #87
Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #97
certainot Dec 2011 #134
Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #137
certainot Dec 2011 #142
pnwmom Dec 2011 #100
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #4
drm604 Dec 2011 #9
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #12
drm604 Dec 2011 #16
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #17
drm604 Dec 2011 #20
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #41
drm604 Dec 2011 #42
A Simple Game Dec 2011 #63
drm604 Dec 2011 #71
BzaDem Dec 2011 #84
Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #85
MNBrewer Dec 2011 #159
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #60
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #73
Whisp Dec 2011 #112
MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #34
CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #49
patrice Dec 2011 #117
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #45
drm604 Dec 2011 #50
A Simple Game Dec 2011 #65
BzaDem Dec 2011 #81
tridim Dec 2011 #11
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #14
LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #21
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #39
BzaDem Dec 2011 #75
patrice Dec 2011 #118
StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #143
tridim Dec 2011 #22
Iggo Dec 2011 #26
tridim Dec 2011 #28
Iggo Dec 2011 #30
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #52
StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #144
A Simple Game Dec 2011 #68
patrice Dec 2011 #123
dionysus Dec 2011 #51
LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #19
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #46
rtassi Dec 2011 #108
patrice Dec 2011 #119
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #167
TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #72
StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #146
LineLineLineLineReply Wonderful post
dreamnightwind Dec 2011 #157
Itchinjim Dec 2011 #44
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #47
Whisp Dec 2011 #113
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #54
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #59
Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #74
JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #89
pnwmom Dec 2011 #101
MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #5
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #6
MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #7
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #10
MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #13
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #15
MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #23
Edweird Dec 2011 #32
Charlemagne Dec 2011 #147
socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #25
BzaDem Dec 2011 #78
socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #138
bettyellen Dec 2011 #8
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #55
bettyellen Dec 2011 #61
aka-chmeee Dec 2011 #80
snagglepuss Dec 2011 #82
snagglepuss Dec 2011 #83
patrice Dec 2011 #120
emulatorloo Dec 2011 #128
patrice Dec 2011 #131
patrice Dec 2011 #121
Charlemagne Dec 2011 #153
patrice Dec 2011 #154
Charlemagne Dec 2011 #148
LibDemAlways Dec 2011 #160
tomp Dec 2011 #155
JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #92
socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #18
Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #40
libtodeath Dec 2011 #24
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #62
Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #98
WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2011 #106
abelenkpe Dec 2011 #27
Zorra Dec 2011 #29
mvd Dec 2011 #33
RBInMaine Dec 2011 #64
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #67
dsc Dec 2011 #31
Charlemagne Dec 2011 #145
Ter Dec 2011 #35
saras Dec 2011 #36
rtassi Dec 2011 #109
patrice Dec 2011 #132
Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #37
Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #38
Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #43
Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #48
Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #53
BzaDem Dec 2011 #79
Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #88
BzaDem Dec 2011 #96
socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #133
BzaDem Dec 2011 #161
socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #165
treestar Dec 2011 #66
Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #90
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #70
mmonk Dec 2011 #76
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #77
Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #91
castnet55 Dec 2011 #93
gateley Dec 2011 #94
Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #95
NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #103
Enrique Dec 2011 #99
JDPriestly Dec 2011 #102
rtassi Dec 2011 #110
NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #104
CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #125
NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #127
JDPriestly Dec 2011 #129
DRoseDARs Dec 2011 #107
T S Justly Dec 2011 #111
lib2DaBone Dec 2011 #114
jimlup Dec 2011 #122
JoePhilly Dec 2011 #124
CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #126
emulatorloo Dec 2011 #130
Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #136
ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #139
Logical Dec 2011 #140
bluestateboomer Dec 2011 #141
Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #149
Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #151
AmericaIsGreat Dec 2011 #152
caseymoz Dec 2011 #156
GOTV Dec 2011 #158
gael Dec 2011 #163
bvar22 Dec 2011 #164
primavera Dec 2011 #166
Please login to view edit histories.