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In reply to the discussion: ‘Rape porn’ possession to be punished by three years in jail, David Cameron to announce [View all]BainsBane
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They have gone to great lengths to justify rape porn and some have shared in detail their expertise on the subject. Moreover, I don't believe I claimed anyone said rape is great. I have, however, said rape porn and its justification is part of rape culture.
Some of the same individuals defending rape porn also are those who turn up in the threads about violence against women to argue how we shouldn't talk about such things. They were aghast that the WHO dared to conduct a study on the health effects of violence against women. Some are the same individuals who argue PSA's that mention the word men are "misandrist." One even disclosed to another member than he said her objection to brutal and extreme rape porn as an effort to "punish men," because, after all, rape porn like everything else is all about men. In conjunction, these things form a picture.
You frequently misrepresent what I and others say, while taking great umbrage when feminists do the same. Your point about arguing it was impossible to consent to being in porn was one such distortion. You put the little straw man image in response to my effort to delineate what was actually banned in the law. Now, I'm no British legal scholar, but an effort to understand a particular law hardly constitutes creating a strawman. I seem to be about one of two or three in this thread who has actually bothered to look at the law.
I think what really is happening is two world views colliding without the ability to understand the other. Some men see the extreme porn as nothing more than entertainment, supposedly as a simple depiction of a fantasy. Many of the feminists here are thinking about the women who make that porn, how they get in that situation, and the effects that work has on them. We are also thinking about the connection between violent porn and violence against women more generally, something that has been established in academic literature. Those who enjoy that porn seem to make a point of not considering any of that, as the constant but odd refrain about "consenting adults" suggests. Porn is not sex. But that phrase suggests they are conflating porn with their personal sex lives. Perhaps they see it as no more than an extension of their sex lives, while many of the feminists here are concerned about the women who make that porn and its social impact. Since many of us are rape survivors, we take the propagation of rape culture very seriously. Rape porn is indeed part of rape culture. To pretend it has no impact on its viewers is like saying watching Fox has no impact on the politics of its viewers. Few here would dispute that latter point, yet they go to great lengths to pretend rape porn and actual rape are not related in any way.