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82. Better Believe it used tropes

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:52 PM

Nov 2013

to get the point across. When DUers state a position with wisdom to back them up? It seems rather like sour grapes to compare them to a person that did nothing but sour grapes the community.

When you realize that good is being done, the best thing you can do is stop criticizing it.

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From the very beginning, Obama was bull$hitting when he said he would renegotiate NAFTA [View all] brentspeak Nov 2013 OP

It'll be fixed in his next term progressoid Nov 2013 #1

Because he can't do everything at once and cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #2

If only we'd had a larger Democratic majority, this all would have been fixed in '09. Chakab Nov 2013 #28

Obstructionism and pony! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #60

and he's not a dictator and you're a racist Doctor_J Nov 2013 #89

Aww, you mad? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #95

Sorry, forgot the Doctor_J Nov 2013 #119

I didn't think that sounded like you. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #137

Yes, I am a well-know pony-wanting Ted Cruz Leftist Doctor_J Nov 2013 #138

My pony needs to shit rainbows Aerows Nov 2013 #98

LOL n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #99

It's only been 58 months!!1! QC Nov 2013 #125

Lieberman! Doctor_J Nov 2013 #139

Need bankie with pony.... L0oniX Nov 2013 #211

OT: When I was a kid Aerows Nov 2013 #219

Lol billhicks76 Nov 2013 #41

HA! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #132

But the stock market hit a record high today Fumesucker Nov 2013 #3

And dying like a flock of pigeons Aerows Nov 2013 #84

The smart money will know when to get out. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #117

Yes, the smart money will know when to pull out but fasttense Nov 2013 #121

Depressingly true. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #127

My point exactly. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #155

I was wondering why all the homeless people were dancing and partying. L0oniX Nov 2013 #214

Obama said a lot of things during the campaign that turned out to be illusions quinnox Nov 2013 #4

Maybe he wants Clinton to keep that as his legacy. ProSense Nov 2013 #6

A politician keeping their legacy Aerows Nov 2013 #29

"A politician keeping their legacy means fuck all to the people they harm in the process." ProSense Nov 2013 #32

Only if he's solitary in supporting that legacy. Aerows Nov 2013 #35

No, it's Clinton's legacy. ProSense Nov 2013 #37

Oh, I see Aerows Nov 2013 #162

What part of he made a promise and broke it is so difficult to understand? cali Nov 2013 #45

Is his Presidency over? ProSense Nov 2013 #54

TPP is just as real as NAFTA and just as detrimental to the economy Aerows Nov 2013 #64

NAFTA has been in effect for 20 years. TPP is being negotiated. n/t ProSense Nov 2013 #66

And NAFTA over the last 20 years Aerows Nov 2013 #69

So they're not the same: One has been law for 20 years, the other is still being negotiated. n/t ProSense Nov 2013 #72

One has been a bad law for 20 years Aerows Nov 2013 #73

Negotiated in secret because it can't stand sunshine. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #128

I'm sorry, but your refusal to deal with reality and overwhelming cali Nov 2013 #85

I'm not sorry that you're "quite sad" ProSense Nov 2013 #86

Please elaborate. cui bono Nov 2013 #113

where are the blue ink links when we need them? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #236

Yeah, because he's against a small free trade agreement while pushing for a HUGE one. cui bono Nov 2013 #112

Millions of people would like to protect THEIR legacies. Is there something more sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #223

The DU hard core "fan" club started bashing him on Jan 21 2009. George II Nov 2013 #156

True, it can't be denied G_j Nov 2013 #5

But Obama says the TPP will be a good thing solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #7

Yeah, it'll create more jobs... ReRe Nov 2013 #23

Green for victory!!... SidDithers Nov 2013 #27

Well, since you don't live or vote in our country ... Aerows Nov 2013 #33

Oh, it's you again... SidDithers Nov 2013 #34

Yep Aerows Nov 2013 #36

Yeah. Why would a Canadian have an opinion in a thread about NAFTA?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #40

Since it didn't have a negative impact on your own country Aerows Nov 2013 #67

why don't you, as a Canadian, spend anytime on Canadian politics? cali Nov 2013 #46

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #48

Enjoy Aerows Nov 2013 #96

big mouthed Furiner you. Whisp Nov 2013 #173

Whisp, I love you Aerows Nov 2013 #193

I'm always snide and angry too. Whisp Nov 2013 #194

Look into NAFTA Aerows Nov 2013 #195

everyone loses, that's for sure. Except the privileged. Whisp Nov 2013 #196

Unless we put a stop to it, we will Aerows Nov 2013 #197

Interloper Aerows Nov 2013 #52

+1000! Puglover Nov 2013 #160

We don't need yer stinking duct tape! L0oniX Nov 2013 #218

Ugh. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #134

I'd would like to know why Obama thinks that treestar Nov 2013 #143

"Broad outline"...."plenty of details to work out" George II Nov 2013 #157

IF labor rights and environmental standards are part of the TPP, it's an effective renegotiation pampango Nov 2013 #8

You don't really think there will be labor rights and environmental standards in TPP, do you? WowSeriously Nov 2013 #24

Yes - who among the many corporate lawyers who negotiated the TPP in secret amongst themselves Maedhros Nov 2013 #49

I can't think of any. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #87

In another thread, the TPP was called "effective goverment" Maedhros Nov 2013 #109

Neither can I. cui bono Nov 2013 #114

Thank you! WowSeriously Nov 2013 #131

That was Obama's original plan and conservatives have criticized their ongoing discussion. pampango Nov 2013 #70

Well, you're far more optimistic than I. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #88

At least you admit that TPP is largely unsupportable n/t brentspeak Nov 2013 #97

If there are no enforceable provisions on labor rights and the environment, it will indeed be pampango Nov 2013 #124

Yes, I'm sure labor rights and evironmental standards have been vigorously defended by the list of Marr Nov 2013 #115

They were not 'excluded'. They are, IMHO, underrepresented. Their issues are under discussion. pampango Nov 2013 #123

Bwhahahahaha!! And if I am a good girl, Santa will buy me a new house!. n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #177

Clinton was married to the man who brought NAFTA into our lives. truedelphi Nov 2013 #9

Hillary is all for TPP solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #15

In the words of the late, great Ted Kennedy ... Laelth Nov 2013 #17

Democratic leaders have a lot to answer for. truedelphi Nov 2013 #53

You'll get no argument from me on any of that. Laelth Nov 2013 #56

Saw a new bumper sticker today that read: HE LIES. polichick Nov 2013 #10

Soon, there will be ones that say: Muslim Socialist Lies. n/t ProSense Nov 2013 #42

Or worse. polichick Nov 2013 #62

a stunning must see video from 2007 solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #11

That's was the moment I was looking for back in 2007. He sold me. pa28 Nov 2013 #76

i still wonder when he started to shift tobeing the truedelphi Nov 2013 #94

All along, or you would never even heard his name. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #104

Exactly. nt NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #122

All along or he wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Presidency. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #135

Ain't it the truth. n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #176

Like the two posters up top I'll say "all along" as well. pa28 Nov 2013 #224

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #12

+1000 n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #31

You Better Believe It, DKF! n/t scheming daemons Nov 2013 #13

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #59

Yeap, Obama's second term is over so ... uponit7771 Nov 2013 #14

K&R liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #16

Good news: ProSense Nov 2013 #18

This is a thread about Obama's comments about NAFTA. As your link indicates there is already totodeinhere Nov 2013 #43

Recent comments? n/t ProSense Nov 2013 #47

This was known in 2008--you just heard about this? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #19

The OP is just reminding those who have forgotten. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #26

Welcome to DU! n/t Aerows Nov 2013 #163

Glad to be here! WowSeriously Nov 2013 #166

I am no Hillary fan, but I do remember her campaign circulating the anti-Obama point that he had GoneFishin Nov 2013 #20

Yep. Austan Goolsbee (Obama's chief economic adviser during the primary) met DURHAM D Nov 2013 #22

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #103

"I am no Hillary fan, but" she supports NAFTA. ProSense Nov 2013 #44

Anyone have a link of U.S. population trends (other than what's on census.gov) Politicub Nov 2013 #21

It's cute the way you use a $ when you accuse Obama of being a liar...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #25

anything substantive to add, or is this simply off topic literary criticism...? mike_c Nov 2013 #30

There's nothing substantive about this use of TPP treestar Nov 2013 #226

It's cute when people that live in and vote in the United States of America Aerows Nov 2013 #50

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #51

I look forward to the day Aerows Nov 2013 #55

I can't vote in your elections! Aerows Nov 2013 #57

Crack smoking mayor.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #77

Yeah. The $ kind of detracted from the factual matter of the lie. pa28 Nov 2013 #80

Your just a hater. Be a good Dem and love everything he says! Phlem Nov 2013 #38

Listen to the Canadians that can't even vote in this country Aerows Nov 2013 #61

I hear you brother. Phlem Nov 2013 #63

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #68

I know, you crack me up :) Aerows Nov 2013 #71

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... SidDithers Nov 2013 #91

Why do you even post here? Marr Nov 2013 #116

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #161

Um, aren't they involved here? treestar Nov 2013 #229

. Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #92

whatever.... Phlem Nov 2013 #93

so.... Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #100

When you make a smart remark, I'm sure someone will. Aerows Nov 2013 #168

lol Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #174

Glad I amused somebody else Aerows Nov 2013 #178

NT ctsnowman Nov 2013 #147

? Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #150

+100000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #39

Real harm to real Americans. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #58

That piece doesn't really prove the job loss is caused solely by NAFTA treestar Nov 2013 #65

The estimates are that NAFTA cost about 700,000 jobs since Clinton signed it ProSense Nov 2013 #74

Which is alarming Aerows Nov 2013 #75

NAFTA is a drop of water in the bucket compared to all offshoring of US jobs since 1978. go west young man Nov 2013 #110

Do the other countries protest it the same way. treestar Nov 2013 #144

Here ya go: From the Guardian UK and others. go west young man Nov 2013 #221

That too just states it, but doesn't say how they come to the conclusion treestar Nov 2013 #141

You're kidding, right? The Mexican 1% is doing just fine, as is our 1% eridani Nov 2013 #108

No, I'm wanting an explanation and not just a conclusion treestar Nov 2013 #142

Trade agreements specifically designed to benefit corporate power at the expense of eridani Nov 2013 #207

Any support for that notion? treestar Nov 2013 #220

Yes--to favor corporations and hurt real people eridani Nov 2013 #222

Same old friggin' conclusions treestar Nov 2013 #227

Fine--keep working for the 1% eridani Nov 2013 #230

It's clear from reading some of these responses...... marmar Nov 2013 #78

Indeed, it has Aerows Nov 2013 #83

Watch the body language and facial affect of BOTH in the following video. bvar22 Nov 2013 #79

Did Bill O'Reilly's body language expert provide this? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #126

BBI was better at this... nt dionysus Nov 2013 #81

Better Believe it used tropes Aerows Nov 2013 #82

BBI used trolling. And this thread is useful as flypaper...it tells us who on DU msanthrope Nov 2013 #130

I assume you think Aerows Nov 2013 #165

Thank you for conceeding my point...and proving that this thread is flamebait. msanthrope Nov 2013 #175

Oh my Aerows Nov 2013 #179

When you have some 'law' let me know what you need interpreted. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #180

When you actually have a patent Aerows Nov 2013 #181

Jealousy never wears well on anyone. If you are ever so fortunate as to inherit msanthrope Nov 2013 #182

LOL Aerows Nov 2013 #183

Aerows..making fun of a dyslexic who forgot to use the spellcheck should be beneath you. msanthrope Nov 2013 #184

Oh, you are dyslexic? Aerows Nov 2013 #185

You were in a thread where I discussed my dyslexia...cited above. Also, a simple msanthrope Nov 2013 #187

That has zero bearing Aerows Nov 2013 #188

You owe me an apology. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #189

For asking you a question Aerows Nov 2013 #190

*crickets* Aerows Nov 2013 #198

Some of us have lives, and children to care for, and dinner to cook. You still owe me an apology.nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #199

Some of us do, too Aerows Nov 2013 #200

You still owe me an apology. And I already answered your question in post #175. Less heat, more msanthrope Nov 2013 #201

That was an answer? Aerows Nov 2013 #202

I did not write what is contained in that second quotation mark. So you owe me another apology, msanthrope Nov 2013 #203

Anything but addressing the question with regard to the policy Aerows Nov 2013 #204

Again, you have claimed that I wrote something I did not. I answered your question in post 175. msanthrope Nov 2013 #205

I couldn't debate what you wrote in post #175 Aerows Nov 2013 #206

Exactly. I told you I hadn't any opinion on the TPP. You refused to accept that. msanthrope Nov 2013 #208

Uh huh Aerows Nov 2013 #209

You most definitely made up quotes that I did not write. I've pointed them out. I think when msanthrope Nov 2013 #210

Angry? Aerows Nov 2013 #212

Quite angry, because you've persisted after getting an answer you did not like, made fun of me, and msanthrope Nov 2013 #213

Angry? Aerows Nov 2013 #215

Having a ball? But you just claimed you were indifferent. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #216

Oh no, about three posts up Aerows Nov 2013 #217

You've been locked out of this thread, so I shall only hope for msanthrope Nov 2013 #235

BBI simply posted articles from right wing sources treestar Nov 2013 #225

He wants to negotiate......he'd like to make it worse. yourout Nov 2013 #101

Here's the thing. I don't get how Obama supporters have standing to criticize Clinton. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #102

Really? hfojvt Nov 2013 #106

No he wasn't. He's working on the TTP agreement in secret. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #105

2018: "why do you leftbaggers hate ShulerTrades?! it has Affordable in the title!!!" MisterP Nov 2013 #107

Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #111

This. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2013 #118

I see the usual du globalists are all over this post. B Calm Nov 2013 #120

As are the usual du nationalists. pampango Nov 2013 #129

that's an erroneous claim. We aren't nationalists. cali Nov 2013 #133

Fair enough. Fair trade that encompasses respect for human and labor rights and the environment pampango Nov 2013 #136

I think the word you're looking for is populist Doctor_J Nov 2013 #140

No. There is global populism and nationalist populism. pampango Nov 2013 #145

And if what is "good for the people of the world" (sic) happens to line a few already-rich pockets, Romulox Nov 2013 #172

You're confused again. "Nationalist" isn't the opposite of "Corporatist". Romulox Nov 2013 #149

I agree. "Nationalist" and "corporatist" are far from opposites-both are favorites of conservatives. pampango Nov 2013 #152

Nonsense. Globalist is another synonym for Corporatist. You are manipulating words, again. Romulox Nov 2013 #169

Equating globalism with corporatism is your opinion. You are making your own synonyms now. pampango Nov 2013 #191

Reality has to be a factor, pampango. In the *United States*, "globalism" been devastating Romulox Nov 2013 #237

PS: Have you *ever* had a positive response to your globalist talking points? I've yet to see it. Romulox Nov 2013 #170

Globalism doesn't appear to be entirely wrong treestar Nov 2013 #233

Incoherent, as always. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #238

That does not make any point treestar Nov 2013 #242

The post to which I responded is utter word salad. That is my point. It's not worth "debating". nt Romulox Nov 2013 #243

No, it's not treestar Nov 2013 #244

I don't even think it's that sophisticated treestar Nov 2013 #231

Oh boy, people disagree with you! treestar Nov 2013 #228

Just one, and probably has an overseas job. . B Calm Nov 2013 #232

Ignorance isn't an argument. So, "People lost jobs due to NAFTA? I hadn't heard!" Romulox Nov 2013 #239

If you want to argue people lost jobs due to NAFTA treestar Nov 2013 #240

Nope. Again, your ignorance isn't a counterargument. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #241

I don't think he was bullshitting at all. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #146

K & R ctsnowman Nov 2013 #148

Are you guys just poring over old new clips and stories to find stuff to bash Obama about? George II Nov 2013 #151

I once saw him use a Canadian "quarter" in an AMERICAN soda machine Orrex Nov 2013 #153

I once saw a proven liar Aerows Nov 2013 #167

The nation was had. woo me with science Nov 2013 #154

Sen. Clinton was BSing about it too... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #158

Well, this would seem to answer the question as to what happened to Obama to make him right wing? lark Nov 2013 #159

I remember that. BlueCheese Nov 2013 #164

You couldn't tell that at the time? BainsBane Nov 2013 #171

Bullshitter + politician = redundancy. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #186

Look at the bullshitters that have Aerows Nov 2013 #192

+1 B Calm Nov 2013 #234