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VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
191. Totally agreed...
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 11:54 AM
Nov 2013

I am going to start using that phrase "the uber-hip crowd"! Your post describes the situation superbly!

Why should a progressive support Hillary in the primaries when she's not progressive? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #1
There are a lot of progressives in the base cali Nov 2013 #2
Yes, I know she needs the base, but you didn't answer my question Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #9
I THINK that is sort of what CALI said.. pangaia Nov 2013 #92
I assumed that Cali Democrat is agreeing with Cali. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #125
Confused.. boy that's the right word for me, too. pangaia Nov 2013 #129
Funny you should say that... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #19
Nope. I only stated my opinion Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #40
Right and we know about those... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #148
And then there's the Progressive Policy Institute. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #131
Hillary used it to identify herself before you did... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #152
There's also a formal Progressive Caucus, and Bernie Sanders is the only Senatorial Member. libdem4life Nov 2013 #367
So no other Senators but Sanders... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #395
Read it and weep... libdem4life Nov 2013 #406
Why would I weep...i vote Democrat...if Bernie gets it...I vote for him VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #408
Because of the total absence of any Progressive Democratic Senators to actually predictably vote libdem4life Nov 2013 #418
^^^^ EXACTLY.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #422
funny how you quote a right wing article DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #182
I was merely looking for that quote... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #206
and nowhere else had that quote? DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #222
It was just the first one I found....that is all.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #223
well DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #227
Yeah right...sure... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #233
Well, you apparently read a lot of BS into her quote Android3.14 Nov 2013 #278
You apparently read alot of BS into things that pop into your VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #298
A "modern" progressive? pscot Nov 2013 #274
You do know that traditionally Democrats haven't been opposed to rich people right? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #318
It's not people with money pscot Nov 2013 #342
A 'new democrat', means the same thing, a 'democrat who is tight with the bankers'. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #579
Weasel words...she didn't say she considered herself a "Progressive." Atman Nov 2013 #314
Weasel my butt....she used that word before YOU did! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #393
I'm sorry, I don't get what in meant by your response Atman Nov 2013 #456
Progressive vs Liberal. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #474
Still baffled...WTF are you talking about? Atman Nov 2013 #511
Your source is right wing AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #369
Good point. But then why is she being promoted here? The OP is asking why wont those rhett o rick Nov 2013 #451
I see much more promotion of Warren on DU than I see promotion of Hillary. nm Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #464
So do I but that's not an answer. Why wont HRC supporters discuss issues? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #467
I see a lot of people discussing issues Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #473
The conservatives that support HRC would like nothing better than for the left to relax rhett o rick Nov 2013 #476
I think you've created some fictitious battle that only exists in your mind Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #486
OPs supporting Hillary get posted, and then blasted, on a regular basis. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #3
links, please. cali Nov 2013 #5
Here ... JoePhilly Nov 2013 #12
Um, thank you for supporting cali's point. You linked OP is about Hillary's inevitability. magical thyme Nov 2013 #22
Read the article in that OP. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #31
Less pure? Enthusiast Nov 2013 #90
Well said. Laelth Nov 2013 #258
+ a bunch. bvar22 Nov 2013 #297
if you'd asked me who against Hillary back in '05 magical thyme Nov 2013 #94
some people were big on Obama in 2004 hfojvt Nov 2013 #176
Your last statement is possibly true, and I suspect it is the reason magical thyme Nov 2013 #229
I think Richardson spoke before her at the debate hfojvt Nov 2013 #290
Your last sentence, if true, says something terrible about this country. It makes it clear that we sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #378
+1,000,000 dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #519
'... make accepting corporate contributions poison in the eyes of the electorate.' sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #563
Thanks dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #571
Much of DU thinks the fight is with *right-wing policy*. Marr Nov 2013 #106
+8,749 Scuba Nov 2013 #150
Well said, Marr. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #172
^^This^^ truebluegreen Nov 2013 #204
Finding better viable candidates fredamae Nov 2013 #164
Indeed. That's why I am working on convincing Elizabeth Warren to run. Laelth Nov 2013 #284
Good post dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #520
I can't disagree fredamae Nov 2013 #552
Programmers will tell you that the way to get a large complicated program to work right eridani Nov 2013 #521
No, the real struggle is with the good cop/bad cop dynamics. zeemike Nov 2013 #196
exactly zeemike.. We've been in a Class War for a long time 2banon Nov 2013 #255
less pure? how about less right-wing? oh, and did you read the article at your link? magical thyme Nov 2013 #241
Imagine that. Boggles the mind. That's too hard...easier to bitch and moan. That or think maybe libdem4life Nov 2013 #425
The conservatives call feeding America's children, getting the NSA back to rhett o rick Nov 2013 #458
Frankly, I could care less about Republican purity. You make my point in your next sentence. libdem4life Nov 2013 #504
I think I might have misunderstood your #425 response. I am still confused as rhett o rick Nov 2013 #507
Assuming that is code for Hillary=royal screw job. What I have said dozens of times is... libdem4life Nov 2013 #509
Thanks for understand my frustrations and forgiving my random lashing out. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #514
I'm a 60s radical and, to be very honest, found myself much like you. Think McGovern. I understand. libdem4life Nov 2013 #518
You take me back with that post. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #573
She should be supported because she's the front runner? hootinholler Nov 2013 #26
Read the article in the OP. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #38
This is just another petulant strawman post, to go with the other "Hillary Sux" one. MADem Nov 2013 #86
The problems that Obama is having now... Blanks Nov 2013 #169
I agree with many of the points you made. MADem Nov 2013 #205
The candidates have to start getting ready early. That doesn't mean that we have to be enthused. Blanks Nov 2013 #438
Give it time.... nt MADem Nov 2013 #469
^^ Little Star Nov 2013 #340
Maybe you should read entire article in the OP? Because I just did. ieoeja Nov 2013 #277
Hear, hear!!! Beacool Nov 2013 #281
I just did that hootinholler Nov 2013 #468
Your link helps prove what the OP claims. Clinton supporters will not post what rhett o rick Nov 2013 #64
Read the article in that OP. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #71
Yes, I read it. I couldnt find any issues that she supports referred to. It must be me. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #85
I don't post in pro-Hillary threads fadedrose Nov 2013 #11
They don't need to. She's inevitable, cali. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #4
You are right. Hillary Clinton could be the next Mitt Romney. DetlefK Nov 2013 #6
I'm not sure about that leftynyc Nov 2013 #18
he was nominated because the crazy vote was split 6 ways of Sunday. magical thyme Nov 2013 #27
The Republicans blew it with Romney.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #120
Primaries? We're having primaries already? 2013... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #7
Right because YOU are the only ones NOT in a cult right? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #14
Baloney. I have a long list of dems I support cali Nov 2013 #16
Who is running against Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #37
We don't know yet- beyond Martin O'Malley cali Nov 2013 #48
Oh I am a big fan of Martin O'Malley....He will make a great VP pick for Hillary VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #185
I have not heard of this 'quashing' that Hillary is working hard for AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #380
Well no one... TommyCelt Nov 2013 #178
"Hate almost every Democrat"? There are those... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #34
No one is demanding anything....she just IS....she has VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #42
A lot of the "support" is quite demanding, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #65
There is no demand....she has worked for it. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #74
Hillalry C. approval numbers DROP! (10/31/13) Divernan Nov 2013 #163
76 whole percent? Well that changes EVERYTHING! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #168
Clinton's campaign song: Let's Do the Time Warp Again! Divernan Nov 2013 #192
You demand I don't post history....and then you post historical musicals? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #197
STOP distorting posts. No one ever demanded you stop posting "history"! Divernan Nov 2013 #210
You were the one that demanded I don't use history... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #214
All I posted about was your false claims on approval numbers; you are SO confused. Divernan Nov 2013 #217
false claims? Really? Think again... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #220
That's not in post 42, sweetie! Fail! Divernan Nov 2013 #224
WTF are you talking about? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #230
And just wait until the election zeemike Nov 2013 #231
Yup. I googled "Bill Clinton girl friend" & got this overview from 2008. Divernan Nov 2013 #251
No one will give a shit. They'll say "So what does that have to do with her?" or MADem Nov 2013 #379
You mean you won't give a shit. zeemike Nov 2013 #459
Oh please--that's just not operative. MADem Nov 2013 #466
Yes daddy except for the ones that are fed up with the same old same o. zeemike Nov 2013 #496
And you're gonna change the world by yelling at me on the internet. MADem Nov 2013 #501
Yelling at you on the internet? zeemike Nov 2013 #510
I agree. Take care, now. nt MADem Nov 2013 #513
" the rest of us are bored with it all." You are speaking for yourself. Now is the time to start a rhett o rick Nov 2013 #80
You're ignoring the other half of that equation... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #112
Yes the conservatives can gloat but we arent going to give up. At some point the public rhett o rick Nov 2013 #446
You could have left it at just "...a better candidate than Christie." We... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #489
It is not a cult. Beacool Nov 2013 #257
She may be, or not, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #348
If you notice, the Clinton supporters are not the ones posting threads attacking other Democrats. Beacool Nov 2013 #360
Truth is, I hadn't noticed, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #370
Right. NAFTA, TPP, kicking kids off "welfare", financial deregulation, eridani Nov 2013 #524
With no idealism or goals expressed fadedrose Nov 2013 #8
Baloney...or is she going to buck the Democratic Jobs trend... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #43
I guess you were looking for a spot to put in that fancy chart fadedrose Nov 2013 #58
oh it disturbs your sensibilities does it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #181
It is garish fadedrose Nov 2013 #190
TOUGH! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #195
Excuse me. I did NOT ask for any charts fadedrose Nov 2013 #198
I didn't ask for your approval either did I? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #201
For Pete's* sake I hope Hillary has better spokespeople than you bobduca Nov 2013 #558
One Stop Shopping... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #10
bwhahahahahaha. cali Nov 2013 #17
Glad you like VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #24
can't stop lauging over someone posting a wiki page as cali Nov 2013 #29
You are welcome to contribute if you have suggestions .... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #32
Oh, please. I post tons of links and you know it. cali Nov 2013 #41
damn near every Democrat to you is a Corporatist.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #47
Hillary is so far more enmeshed in and a promoter of corporate interests cali Nov 2013 #54
No its not ridiculous....first we were "idolizing" Obama...now Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #61
That's the new schtick, Vanilla. 11 Bravo Nov 2013 #118
Totally agreed... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #191
Most Democrats aren't key architects of a massive corporate coup d'état. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #98
Most Democrats create jobs....Do you think Hillary won't be a Job Creator? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Nov 2013 #115
Will she or won't she buck the Democratic Jobs trend? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #140
Quality. Of. Jobs. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #149
We are looking back all the way to Eisenhower now... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #157
Thanks for the word salad. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #167
Sorry I was quite clear. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #175
Is that all you really have? NuclearDem Nov 2013 #177
There are others...I am focusing on that at the moment... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #200
Do you realize BainsBane Nov 2013 #436
I'm not trying to blame her entirely, but if we put her in the WH it'll be hers too. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #437
If we put anyone else in BainsBane Nov 2013 #442
Yay. Hillary will create jobs in... fracking- which she supports cali Nov 2013 #132
Very few jobs in that....even under the worst of conditions... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #143
Do yuo support fracking? do you support the XL pipeline? do you support the TPP? cali Nov 2013 #159
Do I support Democrats on a Democratic forum? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #165
how about actually answering the specific questions I posed? cali Nov 2013 #232
I am not running for President are you? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #235
Oh God, it's the anarchism subthread all over again. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #252
No they don't like me to point out their hypocrisy.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #256
No, that's not what's happening here at all. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #266
Spoken by someone who "knows" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #300
No, not über hip. Just prefer to have an actual back and forth. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #315
NO that is NOT what the "uber-hip" want... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #326
good grief. hypocrisy? Look in the mirror- and at your own posts cali Nov 2013 #267
hahahahahaahahah MINE? I post supporting the Democratic President VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #311
who supports anarchy? silly strawman. cali Nov 2013 #319
where have you been around here? Under a rock??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #321
People like the idea of anarchism because of what it ultimately stands for. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #363
What it means by any dictionary definition is Chaos...I have shown every VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #396
Now you're just intentionally egging me on. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #397
I think YOU should do some research myself...I don't make up definitions... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #426
Alright, we're done here. Welcome to ignore. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #428
Oh my fee fee's are sooooo hurt! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #432
Typical MO for that poster, unfortunately. cyberswede Nov 2013 #439
Me? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #472
Good God, for the hundredth time, state collapse anarchy is NOT anarchism! NuclearDem Nov 2013 #320
for the 100th time...Anarchy IS Chaos! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #322
Anarchy is not anarchism. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #356
HOW? That SOME parsing you got going for ya... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #398
and here is another.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #399
That still doesn't prove that it's chaos. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #400
YES it does....by ANY definition... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #402
No, it doesn't, by several definitions. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #405
Yes it IS by EVERY respected dictionary. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #407
No. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #410
YES you do not get to decide the meaning....it is MOST certainly not Colloquialism. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #414
Again with the conflation. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #421
Not conflated...just giving you what the definition of the word is... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #424
Yes, you are conflating. Anarchism is not anarchy. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #427
Yes it is....I gave you the definition of Anarchism too VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #429
Is that some veiled threat? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #403
well, that's silly. cali Nov 2013 #265
Answer WHAT? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #324
Just FYI, persisting in dodging questions like that is every bit as clear as answering "yes", and Marr Nov 2013 #420
So if Christie Creams changed parties, you would support him? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #465
this is the best witty retort you can come up with? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #477
Wont answer will you? I take that for a yes. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #481
Some freaky weird hypothetical? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #484
Ask her former constituents that are also former IBM employees thanks to her "progressivism". Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #568
You think she is the ONLY one that has ever done that? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #572
No I don't think that and I will not ever vote for any of the others, either. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #576
+ 1,000 cali Nov 2013 #107
Do Democrats create jobs for Americans under your so-called "corporate coup d' etat"? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #161
Slave wage jobs, yes. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #184
So all jobs created since when are slave wage jobs? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #186
It's a bipartisan problem, so what? Doesn't help your point any. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #188
No its NOT bipartisan... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #211
Better than posting rightwing sources as a reason to NOT vote for her, n'est pas? nt MADem Nov 2013 #91
OUCH! That'll leave a mark! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #187
I post left wing sources on why she's a bad candidate for the 99% cali Nov 2013 #234
Yeah, those progressive sites like Ben Smith and UPI....Ohhhh kay.... nt MADem Nov 2013 #236
UPI? seriously? cali Nov 2013 #280
And she opposes changes to Roe V Wade..and Universal Single Payer VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #327
Oh here you go.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #331
say what about Hillary and Universal Single Payer cali Nov 2013 #343
Fact: You used UPI as a source, and Ben Smith, in the same damn post. MADem Nov 2013 #344
I wish I had your crystal ball. Laelth Nov 2013 #525
Illness will be the only thing that could hold her back. MADem Nov 2013 #574
Have you actually read that? snooper2 Nov 2013 #104
Her turn! Ready! Experienced! Inevitable! n2doc Nov 2013 #13
The Progressive Party ended in 1952. All there is now is corporate party 1 & 2. L0oniX Nov 2013 #110
Says who? She called herself one before you called yourself one! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #337
Don't you get it? Politics = Team sports Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #15
Right ....because who could forget this.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #30
Hillary did that? wow. cali Nov 2013 #44
Or you think Hillary is going to BUST that trend? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #50
No democratic candidate is going to bust that trend. Iggo Nov 2013 #209
Thank YOU finally.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #218
You still don't get it Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #237
Who says she is 3rd Way? Has she? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #239
Gosh, where to start? Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #247
but see...that is like.....YOUR opinion man... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #253
You know what's not my opinion? Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #286
and do any of them have the polling power to beat even Chris Christie? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #292
There it is! You just made Cali's point for him. Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #302
I plan to defeat Republicans.....what is YOUR plan? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #304
Hillary was a Senator not a Congressman VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #295
Senators can join Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #299
So are you holding it against ALL Senators...or JUST Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #301
Not all senators affiliated with the DLC Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #303
And did President Barack Obama? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #307
bwahahahaha. Who says it? cali Nov 2013 #270
Again I ask...do you think Hillary will bust THAT trend? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #67
I think things are different now. And yes, I think Hilly will be a fucking disaster cali Nov 2013 #79
Right a Democratic President is always a disaster right? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #84
Something else I didn't say cali Nov 2013 #88
YOU said she would be a disaster... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #103
Impossible to know, but I think we have hints cali Nov 2013 #113
and TPP has been in the work for years lunasun Nov 2013 #193
I see a problem here. RC Nov 2013 #216
Good imagery. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #35
True, and things won't change until we change the game... polichick Nov 2013 #346
Politics does require coalitions treestar Nov 2013 #547
Roughly, yes. The "D" after a candidate's name actually is the most important thing Recursion Nov 2013 #584
I would ask a different question -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #20
WHY??? Need you ask? fadedrose Nov 2013 #39
I'm sure Hillary's ambitions are her own. Whatever Bill's unctions may be they Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #70
Treating women as appendages of their husbands seems antiquated./nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #111
Is it OK for you if she continues breathing, or does that bother you too? Beacool Nov 2013 #276
Because I'm actually too busy getting the 2014 Congress to go blue. msanthrope Nov 2013 #21
what are you doing to turn the House blue? cali Nov 2013 #25
I'm in PA. We have a bunch of seats that could swing, and the governorship. msanthrope Nov 2013 #36
This has been my argument all along... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #51
It's a game Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #23
She was pushing hard for universal health care way back in 1992. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #28
Bernie. cali Nov 2013 #33
And thank goodness for that. Laelth Nov 2013 #526
This was a sideline thing...she was NOT an elected official fadedrose Nov 2013 #52
intentions count and are enough for a lot of progressives uponit7771 Nov 2013 #87
Carrot before the horse = universal health care. She's a war hawk corporatist. L0oniX Nov 2013 #121
no more than FDR, again... giving HRC a higher bar than the male DEM presidents is so... uponit7771 Nov 2013 #124
She could have just sat on her butt and enjoyed living in the White House. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #219
Her plan was not progressive, it was mandatory private insurance grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #275
omg. magical thyme Nov 2013 #45
She's waffled all over the place on Social Security. She sure as hell cali Nov 2013 #59
Not omg. This is an OMG! nt fadedrose Nov 2013 #69
I'll raise you an OMFG!!!!!!! magical thyme Nov 2013 #77
Yes but everything else? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #96
I've added a bunch else. Another half dozen below for your convenience. magical thyme Nov 2013 #108
Truth. Laelth Nov 2013 #527
There has been gigabytes written about Gman Nov 2013 #46
There have been gigabytes of good and bad things written about Hillary. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #53
How about this? Enthusiast Nov 2013 #114
How is this? NCTraveler Nov 2013 #123
I'm hardly a one issue voter. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #147
Agree. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #166
and yet you seem unable to post a cogent argument for supporting her. n/t cali Nov 2013 #238
Think of it as a duplication of effort Gman Nov 2013 #250
Hillary supports many progressive causes. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #49
She's fine on social issues. cali Nov 2013 #81
They are purist, if HRC or Warren aren't 120% perfect then they need not apply uponit7771 Nov 2013 #93
Not fair. Laelth Nov 2013 #154
very fair, HRC shouldn't have a higher bar than the dem men that came before her that are hailed as uponit7771 Nov 2013 #174
there isn't a higher bar for her, but thanks for posting the inevitable cali Nov 2013 #240
There is a higher bar, those hating on HRC woud've despised FDR ... facts are facts... and why uponit7771 Nov 2013 #259
oh goody, a silly anachronistic "argument" cali Nov 2013 #262
I would vote for Sanders or Warren. I won't vote for Hillary. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #55
Okay, Sanders, Warren, or Feingold in a primary... thesquanderer Nov 2013 #116
Feingold too would be good. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #130
Perhaps it would be better to crash and burn quickly... polichick Nov 2013 #306
That could be prophetic. Beacool Nov 2013 #330
Let it happen. Let people see what's really going on. It won't last long... polichick Nov 2013 #334
You give the people too much credit. Beacool Nov 2013 #347
I do tend to think people are smarter than they are... polichick Nov 2013 #353
Thats my view too Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #364
This response is going to feel eerily similar to another of my responses. Laelth Nov 2013 #56
You did good fadedrose Nov 2013 #82
Thanks. Laelth Nov 2013 #89
Re the financial link (not that what I think matters as I don't even live in the States) sibelian Nov 2013 #536
Most Democrats are utter cowards. Laelth Nov 2013 #539
We have demanded that the President become a champion for economic justice Enthusiast Nov 2013 #122
Have we? Laelth Nov 2013 #180
Tell you what, Enthusiast Nov 2013 #194
Fair enough. Laelth Nov 2013 #208
thanks. you actually present an argument. cali Nov 2013 #242
With you, my dear cali, I can actually have this discussion. Laelth Nov 2013 #244
you still presented the best argument for her that I've seen, Laelth cali Nov 2013 #283
My pleasure. Laelth Nov 2013 #305
Here NCTraveler Nov 2013 #57
Her time in the Senate NCTraveler Nov 2013 #60
Her work in crafting and supporting the TPP as SoS kind of negates cali Nov 2013 #245
Negates a lifetime of work? NCTraveler Nov 2013 #357
yep, I'll hold my nose and vote for her heaven05 Nov 2013 #62
Cool. Dare taken. Laelth Nov 2013 #119
+++++ heaven05 Nov 2013 #133
Fair enough. Laelth Nov 2013 #144
Maybe because some of us have a little class & refuse to get down in the mud slinging William769 Nov 2013 #63
It's about facts. And the facts aren't bogeymen cali Nov 2013 #75
Oh no, Bill, you're speaking for me, too. Please allow me to associate myself with your remarks. nt MADem Nov 2013 #97
Welcome to the grown ups table. William769 Nov 2013 #102
Sigh. I am not sure that particular frame is helpful. Laelth Nov 2013 #529
Hillary, unlike FDR, hasn't been a perfect progressive so she's disqualified /sarcasm uponit7771 Nov 2013 #101
You spoke for me. Good job. Agschmid Nov 2013 #137
+1 JoePhilly Nov 2013 #146
Or it could be that most people actually involved in the process are focused on 2014. grantcart Nov 2013 #173
Texas has a 2014 fight for Governor that is going to be my main focus Gothmog Nov 2013 #377
I'm with you, and one more thing: MineralMan Nov 2013 #212
... William769 Nov 2013 #213
Well..... fadedrose Nov 2013 #461
I must have missed that exchange. Laelth Nov 2013 #530
It was at the House Benghazi hearing fadedrose Nov 2013 #550
I missed that. Laelth Nov 2013 #551
Very classy................. Beacool Nov 2013 #498
Hillary: "Keep abortion safe, legal and rare". Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #66
Just like every other potential dem candidate. cali Nov 2013 #72
Why are the Clintons so greedy??? cali Nov 2013 #68
What is Alan Grayson worth? NCTraveler Nov 2013 #78
Shit, that's bargain basement prices. Didn't Saint Ronnie of Reagan make two million for two MADem Nov 2013 #117
There are many honest arguements to be made showing areas where.... NCTraveler Nov 2013 #135
Hillary is a pragmatic progressive. She does what she can, and she doesn't bullshit people. MADem Nov 2013 #141
I have no idea. Why the hell should she be making those speeches for that kind of money? cali Nov 2013 #145
You are now not being serious. That is very clear. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #170
& yet no response regarding the $$$ giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #203
What response do you expect to get about the $. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #349
??? giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #354
Thank you for clarifying what should have already been clear to me. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #362
No worries giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #368
Yes. Sprinkled with a bit of envy ? lumpy Nov 2013 #389
I promise I'm not usually this dense.... giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #391
I would ask what did the Clintons already do for that money, Whisp Nov 2013 #443
If you have a son or daughter I sugguest you have them watch this. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #73
Nice post. Thanks for that. Laelth Nov 2013 #531
There's not a dearth of progressive arguments for Hillary. n/t DanM Nov 2013 #76
not when it comes to social issues. She's fine there- like every other cali Nov 2013 #95
And therein lies the problem. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #136
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #532
No progressive would ever support her. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #83
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Nov 2013 #127
So, Bill DeBlasio and Howard Dean aren't progressives, now? MADem Nov 2013 #134
Links to your assertion that they support Hillary. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #226
You do know that DeBlasio ran her Senate campaign in NY? MADem Nov 2013 #291
I did not know about De Blasio and his relationship with HRC. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #333
Well I do beg your pardon. That said, I got a strong whiff of snark in your subject line MADem Nov 2013 #352
Except this one. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #355
Well, one person's progressive is another person's unrealistic, recalcitrant obstructionist. MADem Nov 2013 #372
Yes. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #409
Or an unrealistic, recalcitrant, obstructionist. MADem Nov 2013 #419
So now I'm an obstructionist? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #433
You know yourself better than anyone else. MADem Nov 2013 #497
Ah. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #499
It's not a cliche. It's math. MADem Nov 2013 #502
Well played giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #341
She and Bill also hosted a fundraiser for him, and raised over a million bucks for his mayoral MADem Nov 2013 #345
There is a serious case of denial or giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #351
It's a small group, but they are very, very angry at being thwarted. MADem Nov 2013 #358
If they do know they will omitt that fact to giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #373
Yep. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #435
This is what she is, and it's a shame you can't see it. MADem Nov 2013 #471
Hahahahahaha. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #482
Well, that's a post worth saving for posterity. MADem Nov 2013 #517
She's a little further right than President Obama in this graph... adirondacker Nov 2013 #508
OTI actually backs up their placement with details, as you can see if you look at the web page. MADem Nov 2013 #512
I think a lot of it, is a matter of perspective... adirondacker Nov 2013 #515
I don't care if HRC has corporate sponsors, so long as the corporate sponsors are MADem Nov 2013 #516
Excellent post (#291). Thanks for that. Laelth Nov 2013 #533
I believed with demographic shifts the Democrats would never lose another presidential election. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #99
not just the perception questionseverything Nov 2013 #382
Good post. Laelth Nov 2013 #534
Your OP is bait...so I'll respond... Sancho Nov 2013 #100
Who are these exremists? Bradical79 Nov 2013 #126
I was asking, but Alan Grayson comes to mind.... Sancho Nov 2013 #207
very sensible post. BootinUp Nov 2013 #138
There is some polling that shows Hilary Clinton may put Texas into play in 2016 Gothmog Nov 2013 #365
Why should Hillary supporters try to convince Hillary haters of anything?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #109
Exactly. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #158
This is just a flame bait thread. If it was really aimed at having a discussion of the issues, the lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #225
thank you northoftheborder Nov 2013 #246
+1 Metric System Nov 2013 #310
Truly lumpy Nov 2013 #401
Interesting perspective. Laelth Nov 2013 #535
This....... Beacool Nov 2013 #317
That's what I'm thinking, Sid. Who really takes pot stirrers seriously, anyway? lumpy Nov 2013 #392
A question worth asking and worth supporters attempting to answer. Poll_Blind Nov 2013 #128
I wasn't aware she was running. As far as I knew, we don't have any declared candidates so OregonBlue Nov 2013 #139
cali, if i didn't know better... i'd say you're not a big hillary fan... dionysus Nov 2013 #142
lol. cali Nov 2013 #153
Why CAN'T we present an argument in her favor? Better, why DON'T we do so. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #151
Lol, I look at it the same way I try to get my husband giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #179
You can't convince anyone of anything unless you try. Laelth Nov 2013 #537
Maya Angelou reminds us, "When somebody shows you what they are, believe them." IrishAyes Nov 2013 #560
I will assume you're not talking about me, then. Laelth Nov 2013 #561
At this time I did not aim those words at any individual in particular; speaking in generalities for IrishAyes Nov 2013 #562
Does anyone believe for a second that conservative Dems would vote for, say, Sanders... Marr Nov 2013 #155
or close the polling stations or cut party money or MisterP Nov 2013 #454
Very good point. Laelth Nov 2013 #538
After Hil we can have Jeb. JEB Nov 2013 #156
The only thing I care about is 2014!! Any other discussion is moot to me. But if Hillary is the Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #160
This is pretty early to be coming out if the woodwork upaloopa Nov 2013 #162
The closest I've seen to an argument is "because she can beat the repuke", but hughee99 Nov 2013 #171
And if that's the case, why wouldn't we run a real liberal? Laelth Nov 2013 #540
Why should there be an OP selling Hillary? Gman Nov 2013 #183
If she's progressive, and a leader, why has her stint as a WalMart Board member done nothing .... Scuba Nov 2013 #189
re: "I've yet to see..." It is 20 f'ing 13 cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #199
Thank you for some perspective. In fact, I don't think she even announced yet? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #228
Yes, and the HIllary train has left the station cali Nov 2013 #248
"Inevitability"™ Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #202
For a women's right to choose, for civil rights, including gay rights, for Kyoto Protocol, clean air lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #215
thank you northoftheborder Nov 2013 #243
+1, FDR wasn't a perfect progressive no prez is but the extra hate on HRC is overt in some cases uponit7771 Nov 2013 #261
I don't hate her personally. I hate what she represents regarding cali Nov 2013 #269
... and if Warren would support any of those you'd throw away your support for her? uponit7771 Nov 2013 #279
I don't support Warren. cali Nov 2013 #287
"Again, FDR was not the corporately owned creature that Hillary is. " You sure?!?!?! uponit7771 Nov 2013 #309
Yes. cali Nov 2013 #434
From the FDR library.... "How did the Roosevelt and Delano families make their money? " uponit7771 Nov 2013 #487
It is common knowledge that FDR came from a wealthy family. Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #503
Hear, hear! n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #541
Big Goverment, Big Party Liberal here..I support the ticktet Peacetrain Nov 2013 #221
At least you are willing to support Warren if she decided to run. Laelth Nov 2013 #263
Absolutely!! Peacetrain Nov 2013 #325
How come you can't wait until at least she announces? Beacool Nov 2013 #249
The Democratic Party's "big tent" is a bear sometimes, isn't it? n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #254
It has nothing to do with having other candidates running. Beacool Nov 2013 #264
Hillary could win hands down against any other opponent. Laelth Nov 2013 #268
DU is dividing because the party is dividing... polichick Nov 2013 #282
Frankly, I think that a fraction of the party is dividing. Beacool Nov 2013 #285
Hopefully we won't actually divide - but there is a growing number of Dem voters... polichick Nov 2013 #294
That works both ways. Beacool Nov 2013 #312
That old "vote for our candidates or the bad guys will get in" doesn't work when... polichick Nov 2013 #323
Did you see the study that said Americans under 30 prefer socialism to capitalism? Laelth Nov 2013 #544
Spot on. Your post #282 nails what's going on in this thread. Laelth Nov 2013 #543
'Are we going to be subjected to daily bash Hillary threads?' MineralMan Nov 2013 #387
Ah, you mentioned "Support Her in the Primaries". Xyzse Nov 2013 #260
Some people are just born "apparent Democratic nominees" I guess. polichick Nov 2013 #271
cali, this is a flamebait thread. you're better than this. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #272
No, she's not. Beacool Nov 2013 #288
No, it's not flamebait. Please see my exchange with Laelth cali Nov 2013 #289
I'm a liberal. I'm not a "progressive" and I support Hillary Clinton until a better candidate The Second Stone Nov 2013 #273
Unless she supports economic justice, her support for the rights of children cali Nov 2013 #293
Hate Warren Buffet much? The Second Stone Nov 2013 #329
I neither hate him or love him and I fail to see what he has to do with it. cali Nov 2013 #335
Who do you propose? You've got someone better The Second Stone Nov 2013 #371
I've written many responses in my support of Hillary...and I'm right up there with you. Thing I'm libdem4life Nov 2013 #381
Good post. Money matters. Laelth Nov 2013 #545
That's very interesting. Could you please post the link? libdem4life Nov 2013 #564
Sure. Laelth Nov 2013 #565
Great...I'll read it. libdem4life Nov 2013 #566
Apologies...forgot to thank you for the link. libdem4life Nov 2013 #577
No problem. Laelth Nov 2013 #580
I consider myself officially in a political place I am most comfortable..learning..options..what if? libdem4life Nov 2013 #581
I definitely come to DU to learn. Laelth Nov 2013 #582
Well stated...along with some new thoughts. :) libdem4life Nov 2013 #585
I'm looking at Martin O'Malley. I'd like to Sherrod Brown run cali Nov 2013 #528
Moyers & Co: Can We PLEASE Knock Off the Speculation About 2016? 2banon Nov 2013 #296
No. My friendly ex is the Democratic Executive Director of a Blue County in a Blue State. libdem4life Nov 2013 #394
+1. Well said. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #546
She's not John Edwards? wyldwolf Nov 2013 #308
And thank goodness for that!!! Beacool Nov 2013 #350
lol, i almost choked when I saw this post headline. dems aren't going to start okieinpain Nov 2013 #313
Curious as to how many more anti-Hillary threads we can expect from you. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #316
I can't be bothered with her right now. She is a private citizen and hasn't declared kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #328
Yeah, her Goldwater years........ Beacool Nov 2013 #336
You do realize that Elizabeth Warren was a staunch republican for... Walk away Nov 2013 #338
I don't know about "staunch," but she did vote for Rs prior to 1995. Laelth Nov 2013 #361
At least I support an actual candidate. nt Walk away Nov 2013 #586
Why can't people who are constantly griping about Hillary Clinton... Walk away Nov 2013 #332
Good one. Beacool Nov 2013 #339
Demographics say we will win no matter whom we run. Laelth Nov 2013 #359
LMAO Epic fail. L0oniX Nov 2013 #388
This thread is absolutely incredible beerandjesus Nov 2013 #366
Great post. Laelth Nov 2013 #375
There are plenty of comments about her experience as a Senator and SecState, MADem Nov 2013 #386
Pretty light on substance there. beerandjesus Nov 2013 #417
You can't be serious. MADem Nov 2013 #431
It sounds to me like you're conceding the point. beerandjesus Nov 2013 #441
Conceding what point? MADem Nov 2013 #462
Oh, I see now! You're right! Hillary's just as liberal as Bernie! beerandjesus Nov 2013 #478
You can goad/bait all you'd like, but if you paid attention, she's NOT the same as Bernie. MADem Nov 2013 #485
That's a really good web site. beerandjesus Nov 2013 #488
I didn't insult anyone. MADem Nov 2013 #491
My mind is made up only until someone else shows up. I have posted frequently and liberally and libdem4life Nov 2013 #404
Mostly agree. And yes, I'll take 'Better than a Republican' over 'Republican' any day of the week. beerandjesus Nov 2013 #423
I know..I'm really trying harder..and I'm not excited, either. 20 years of Bushes or 16 of Clinton/ libdem4life Nov 2013 #430
Here is a fix. IGNORE THOSE DLC TROLLS bobduca Nov 2013 #542
Thing is, I value their opinions, even though they sometimes piss me off. beerandjesus Nov 2013 #553
I appreciate your optimism bobduca Nov 2013 #556
Ha, optimism takes discipline I don't claim to have... beerandjesus Nov 2013 #557
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #374
Excellent question. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #376
Here (brace yourself), ProSense Nov 2013 #383
They ARE presenting arguments...just not here brooklynite Nov 2013 #384
Exactly!! Beacool Nov 2013 #412
there are people here who support her who have not advanced an argument for her cali Nov 2013 #413
I would like to respectfully disagree, in case you've missed most of my posts. libdem4life Nov 2013 #440
yours don't count because... well... they run counter to the OP's premise. wyldwolf Nov 2013 #447
Mine are Cricket Posts ... get it? ... can hear the crickets. These Anti-Hillary folks are pretty libdem4life Nov 2013 #455
"tame compared to half of my Right Wing, Fundamentalist, Bircher family." wyldwolf Nov 2013 #490
Oh, you went there !! libdem4life Nov 2013 #494
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #385
But she has already had her crown fitted. JEB Nov 2013 #390
Oh good grief don't even play like that... giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #415
Goldfish sounds like a most sensible 11 year old. JEB Nov 2013 #483
No real progressive can justify running her. Someone needs to primary against her. Th1onein Nov 2013 #411
that is quite odd, isn't it? Whisp Nov 2013 #416
I think Hillary will be fine on core Democratic issues. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #444
Agree 100%... which would I think HRC would mean yet another 4 years of playing defense beerandjesus Nov 2013 #448
She's against raising the cap on Social Security and Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #505
Well it looks like it will be a good idea that there is a primary so these issues can be discussed. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #506
Excellent Q. It appears only conservatives support her Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #445
I am not a conservative and I support her. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #450
If you support her, then maybe you know what she stands for. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #460
What is the TTP? I am sorry I do not know what that is. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #463
It's the TPP or Trans Pacific Partnership. NAFTA on steroids. It will nullify national sovereignty. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #470
Thank you for the link. I bookmarked it. I was not a fan of Nafta. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #475
There is a wealth of editorializing treestar Nov 2013 #549
I am very supportive of the President and very unsupportive of Clinton. Whisp Nov 2013 #452
I think they're very similar dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #522
For one thing, Obama is not a cheater and a liar. Whisp Nov 2013 #559
OK, thanks for responding dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #578
As a standard 3rd Way "not as bad" candidate she's "not quite as bad" as Joe Lieberman. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #449
2016 is a long way off. GOTV 2014! It's almost here! nt jazzimov Nov 2013 #453
because they are too busy working the ground to get actual support for her JI7 Nov 2013 #457
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #479
They dont have to. She doesnt have to commit to stands on specific issues because rhett o rick Nov 2013 #480
Will no one rid me of this damned priest...? LanternWaste Nov 2013 #492
The ugly truth is that it is deliberate DLC/Third Way strategy. woo me with science Nov 2013 #493
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #555
+1 Bradical79 Nov 2013 #569
To have Bill back in the White House CFLDem Nov 2013 #495
Thoroughly interesting. Laelth Nov 2013 #554
Well that's not a comforting thought, let alone dream....even without the "sarcasm" smilie libdem4life Nov 2013 #567
Why? Bradical79 Nov 2013 #570
I was still in grade school CFLDem Nov 2013 #575
500...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #500
They can and they do; the bashers just don't like the "argument" for Hillary Hekate Nov 2013 #523
I'm sure they can treestar Nov 2013 #548
I'm not a huge fan, but outside of DU the argument is something like this Recursion Nov 2013 #583
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