Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. OMG. I need to turn in for the night. I thought you wrote SURFING calamities. Like the GOP wanted to
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 02:29 AM
Nov 2013
'Manage Catastrophy' throught their contrived Default. As far as it being a calamity, in reality it is not. Disability and death are part of life:



Van Jones: Let's Stop Trying to Please Republicans

Published on Oct 29, 2013
Recorded May, 2012
Directed/Produced by Jonathan Fowler, Elizabeth Rodd, and Dillon Fitton

Van Jones: "I don't understand how this individual mandate is something that we've allowed the Republicans to define as some sort of, quote-unquote, government takeover. In fact, it's their idea. The progressives were saying we want single-payer. Myself, I would say why do you need insurance companies for health care at all. Insurance is what you buy when you don't know if something bad is going to happen. Maybe I'll crash my car. Maybe I won't. I don't know. So I'm going to get car insurance just in case. Everybody's going to get sick and die, so you know every single person's going to need health insurance. That's not something you can provide insurance for, that's called a service.

So my view, single-payer. The Republicans always said, no, that's too much government. So we came back and said, okay, no single-payer. How about a public option? So you'd a public program, everybody could join Medicare or compete with the private companies, too much government. We want individual responsibility. So we said, fine, you win. We'll do it your way, individual mandate. And then, they say that is a socialist government takeover. Well, hold on a second now. You're now a part of the pro-moocher caucus? You're saying it's okay for people to just dive bomb their way into the emergency room? Yeah, don't worry about it. Don't get any insurance. The government will pay for it. Now, you're like the pro-freeloader party?

This Republican Party, from my point of view, has taken the posture that any idea, even their own ideas, if they're championed by this president, they will oppose. And I think that discredits them. It's like chasing a bunny on the old dog track. They have a mechanical bunny. If you've ever been to a dog track, I'm from Tennessee, if you ever go to Memphis, they have a dog track and they have a mechanical bunny. And they open the gates and the dogs just go and try and chase that mechanical bunny. And I think those dogs probably think someday they're going to catch that bunny. They're never going to catch that bunny because the bunny keeps moving.

You're trying to chase the right to try to convince them to agree with you. They will run away from their own ideas if they think a Democrat embraces them. It was a Republican idea to have cap and trade, a market-based, business-friendly solution for carbon and climate problems. That was the Heritage Foundation that came up with cap and trade. We were saying carbon tax. To chase them, we moved to cap and trade and they moved on to don't do anything. Climate change isn't even real.

On health care, it was their idea to have an individual mandate and personal responsibility and don't have a big government single-payer system. We moved from single-payer through public option to individual mandate trying to catch them and now they say that the individual mandate is socialism. You will never catch this bunny. You will never, so what you need to do is stand for what you believe in and bring a majority around your own ideas and govern. And it's the biggest fallacy on the part of liberals is that that little hound dog running around that track is ever going to catch that bunny and that we will ever be able to compromise enough to appease the right wing in this country so they'll actually govern with us in a responsible way. They have to be defeated at the ballot box by a stable governing majority that can implement the changes that we need in this country, whether they want to participate or not.


I believe the ACA will lead to UHC as people's minds are changed about the 'evil government' mantra they heard for so many years.

It's become more extreme because they are desperate and losing against common sense. They are going to wake up, which is why the Koch brothers/GOP has pulled out all the stops.

It's why the billions they invested to elect their robosigner Romney failed.

And I'll be happy to pay for your sports and work {injuries Warpy Nov 2013 #1
Peace of mind goes a long way. For a lot of people, including myself, it's LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #5
Exactly. Considering stress lowers life expectancy just having insurance will extend lives Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #2
I do too. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #3
I thought the point of Insurance was that people only pay for themselves. When THEY get sick! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #4
Socialism where insurance companies get the vig Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #6
If only there were some way to get the profits to the poor corporations without Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #8
That is exactly how Republicans look at the rest of us. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #10
OMG. I need to turn in for the night. I thought you wrote SURFING calamities. Like the GOP wanted to freshwest Nov 2013 #15
I think that's the point of *private* insurance Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #9
Okay, switching off the what-I-thought-was-obvious sarcasm for a second... Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #11
No man should be required to pay for maternity care ... Scuba Nov 2013 #12
I wish I could rec this post. KitSileya Nov 2013 #17
You just did. Thanks. Scuba Nov 2013 #18
If you had the UK's NHS we wouldn't even be having this discussion. dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #13
Are you from UK? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #14
You're a REAL man fadedrose Nov 2013 #16
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»I am a man, and I want to...»Reply #15