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I agree. Seems like somebody had their head in the wrong place. ladjf Nov 2013 #1
Or someone besides them wrote parts of the legislation NoOneMan Nov 2013 #4
No excuse. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #7
Their bill? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #25
The Heritage Foundation did not bring it to Congress. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #34
I don't think NOM was offering that explanation as an excuse. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #54
I think the ACA was largely written Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #134
Or the legislation was twisted into this by Republican obstructionists. Hoyt Nov 2013 #177
wish we could blame them formernaderite Nov 2013 #245
Maybe if the insurance commissioners had done their jobs in the past, we wouldn't need this. Hoyt Nov 2013 #248
Fine. Let them keep their crappy insurance. They can thank the GOP when JaneyVee Nov 2013 #2
That's not the point. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #5
Of course they did. They even handed out numerous reports on it in 2010. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #16
Point being, it IS the law... B2G Nov 2013 #19
He probably needs the cooperation of state insurance commissions FarCenter Nov 2013 #26
IF Congress approves it first B2G Nov 2013 #30
A law requiring insurance companies to extend policies may be unconstitutional. FarCenter Nov 2013 #33
He has the regulatory authority to rewrite the regs that made the policies not grandfathered Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #61
There is a GOP-sponsored House bill and a Democrat-sponsored Senate Bill in the works Gore1FL Nov 2013 #168
That does not work.. busterbrown Nov 2013 #140
Agreed Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #228
Just pray to the gods that this bunch never takes us into a real war! eom Purveyor Nov 2013 #3
for real. and any attempt to rationally criticize the problems with the ACA cali Nov 2013 #6
let me ask this DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #78
You have no problem putting words in my mouth that are as wrong as wrong could be cali Nov 2013 #90
OK DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #91
Thanks. I'll take it. And perhaps you could come away from this encounter cali Nov 2013 #99
That's ok DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #101
That reaction Township75 Nov 2013 #171
blindsided?? More like screwed over by the ones who wrote it. Autumn Nov 2013 #8
Not all of the canceled plans are *junk*. I'm growing a bit weary of this talking point. Some of SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #162
thank you for that post - it really is just a talking point now and way too simplified at best. covadcalifornia Nov 2013 #176
Welcome to DU. I can tell you than many here will defend the ACA until death. The problem is SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #241
they are certainly not all junk plans formernaderite Nov 2013 #246
On CSpan in minutes fadedrose Nov 2013 #9
What you are witnessing is what is wrong with politics - no spine joeglow3 Nov 2013 #10
Even on DU, many people don't want to pay more for the good of those poorer than them Democat Nov 2013 #80
The insurance industry purposefully conflated issues of their profits with our altruism. Romulox Nov 2013 #95
Brilliant. You have summed up the essence of this perfectly. solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #214
not quite hfojvt Nov 2013 #120
This may come as a shock to you, but some in the middle class... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #139
this! nt cash__whatiwant Nov 2013 #188
I don't disagree that the middle class has been under attack for a long time Democat Nov 2013 #222
I haven't come across too many DUers saying they're... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #242
at which point were the voters told this? hfojvt Nov 2013 #106
Because those in group coverage are already spreading those costs joeglow3 Nov 2013 #135
come on Joe formernaderite Nov 2013 #247
*sigh* We need single payer so fucking bad. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #11
and just how do you think that will happen? The media has already brainwashed the public with lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #58
Well, it doesn't help when the only plan being pushed was the Heritage Foundation's brainchild NuclearDem Nov 2013 #62
Let me make it clear, I wish we had single payer. However, there was no way it was going to happen. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #66
Lieberman's vote wasn't needed, actually. eomer Nov 2013 #114
"The media has already brainwashed the public with repuke talking points" NCTraveler Nov 2013 #81
+100 nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #88
I agree! Why not stand up and fight for the ACA? Why not stand up to the fucking insurance industry? Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #97
I am not sure I understand your two comments. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #112
No kidding...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #169
I'm talking about what the ACA does to keep the industry in check. While not perfect, it at least Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #179
"providing at least 80% in health care coverage" NCTraveler Nov 2013 #181
In theory, yes, but not all in practice. Not all insurance companies did that. The ACA mandates that Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #184
That may be true, then why don't they vote for representatives that favor single payer? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #104
There are many reasons for that. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #117
"Hillarycare" ended up winning but she didn't. Why? And Hillycare lost bigtime in 1994. I agree that Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #183
That is the best description and explanation I have heard on this issue. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #239
Because the Party Machine won't allow those candidates onto the ballot bobduca Nov 2013 #235
Why not Medicare for Everyone. The system is already in place and who doesn't like Medicare? SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #82
question is how to pay for it.... Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #213
It is CHEAPER than insurance. No profit. You pay tax instead of premiums. Simple. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #215
The Myth of the War of the Worlds Panic <You mean the real history, or the myth? jtuck004 Nov 2013 #144
I think the way the law was written caused many policies to get caught in a bigger net TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #12
They didn't. This is the insurance companies cancelling policies and using ACA as cover. yellowcanine Nov 2013 #13
This. the big lie is taking hold it seems. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #86
Yes. Whisp Nov 2013 #98
Well, now that he's taking the blame... krkaufman Nov 2013 #121
I agree with this. Because Obama is apologizing for something that he has no reason to apologize for Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #189
++ Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #131
The united insurance corporations are trying to discredit Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #145
If this is true Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #172
But we all knew they were scorpions. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #199
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #236
The thieves are out with long knives CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #14
I didn't follow the DU ACA wars that closely... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #163
Here we go again... Whisp Nov 2013 #15
how so? cali Nov 2013 #53
They did not expect the insurance companies to arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #17
Just who do you think they work for??? Us??? L0oniX Nov 2013 #18
And our weak ass president is PISSING ME OFF joeglow3 Nov 2013 #20
Nice going. You are 100% class. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #65
And your ass kissing of the president accomplishes nothing joeglow3 Nov 2013 #70
+1. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #83
I laugh at your supposed knowledge on this subject. You have no idea what you're talking about Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #122
Get shit done.....and then undo it. joeglow3 Nov 2013 #133
I think that's a Janie. N/t Whisp Nov 2013 #100
what is a Janie? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #123
see your mail. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #138
Glass houses, PW. nt Union Scribe Nov 2013 #200
keep in mind that your point of view is not universal, nor necessarily true for anyone Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #132
When you adopt Republican created policies and try and make them Democratic Bandit Nov 2013 #21
I doubt anyone was blindsided... HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #22
Even if the rollout had gone much more smoothly, they'd amplify and trumpet ANYTHING TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #27
But the cancellations mean they'll have to handle a few hundred thousand enrollments a day FarCenter Nov 2013 #31
Right--that's why it was a one-two punch the administration didn't see coming. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #36
It's NOT a fix! B2G Nov 2013 #44
I kind of have to discount anything you say, because you've been cheerleading for ACA failure TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #47
They aren't defunct until watoos Nov 2013 #155
It's not that simple B2G Nov 2013 #158
"He can't force them to reinstate policies" truebluegreen Nov 2013 #231
Agreed. treestar Nov 2013 #92
a paradox. Whisp Nov 2013 #102
At least Obama appears to realize there are serious problems quinnox Nov 2013 #23
I still don't think he understands all of the problems Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #84
No. Bill Clinton made things much worse. He should shut up and sit down somewhere. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #190
I'm fine with letting people keep their crappy policies. dawg Nov 2013 #24
I'm not. I'd rather people with shit plans pay 10x more for new policies... HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #28
It wouldn't be much of a win for the Republicans. dawg Nov 2013 #32
No. progressoid Nov 2013 #225
They weren't. gcomeau Nov 2013 #29
Exactly. And Big Mouth Bill didn't help either. Whisp Nov 2013 #38
Exactly. nt JoePhilly Nov 2013 #74
THANK YOU!! nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #165
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #237
I don't know why this is so shitfit worthy: Whisp Nov 2013 #35
Issa led his private hacking men to asjr Nov 2013 #37
What the what??? Common Sense Party Nov 2013 #57
Cheap weed, and a foil wrapped toilet paper pipe. NM_Birder Nov 2013 #67
or denial of service attacks. Whisp Nov 2013 #110
The Insurance Co's know exactly what they wrote One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #39
and you can be sure they flooded the zone with those $50 a month policies SoCalDem Nov 2013 #69
When profit is capped at 15% of Policy Rate One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #130
What was in it seveneyes Nov 2013 #40
Someone really needed to make sure the launch was perfect...or pretty damn close... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #41
Actually, political fear of mistakes was a major part of the flawed end-product. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #42
Probably, and he doesn't seem like the type to press the issue with them... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #45
Private insurers are the absolute worst feature of US healthcare. Who thought mandating a purchase Romulox Nov 2013 #43
No one could have predicted that private insurers and Republicans would bork the ACA rollout Fumesucker Nov 2013 #46
lol quinnox Nov 2013 #79
It relies completely on the private market too. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #51
But if we mandate you to pay weekly fees to muggers in your neighborhood, they won't be as violent! JVS Nov 2013 #173
Because the GOP fredamae Nov 2013 #48
O'Really? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #49
Nothing to get asshairs all afire about. Whisp Nov 2013 #50
++ Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #143
Ghost writers in the sky? Rex Nov 2013 #52
I don't think most of them knew what was in it before passing it. Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #55
Don't be shortsighted. They had to rely on the insurance mafia flamingdem Nov 2013 #56
This is confusing, to be sure Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #59
This is what happens when you let TBF Nov 2013 #60
Settle the fuck down. Remember the rolling disaster of Iraq? THAT'S a quagmire Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #63
You settle the fuck down Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #77
sounds like Obama took care of you today. Bye bye. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #109
No, he didn't Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #207
It was the perfect storm really. bklyncowgirl Nov 2013 #64
See, This Is What I Said RobinA Nov 2013 #89
Easy RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #68
"We've got to pass it to see what's in it." Nancy Pelosi nt bluedeathray Nov 2013 #71
Some people owe the big blue dog Bill Clinton an apology. boston bean Nov 2013 #72
hello no DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #94
Sled Dog Billie, always pulling to the right. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #105
Or ... krkaufman Nov 2013 #137
I'm pretty sure that in 2009 they chose 2013 and later implementation dates for a reason FarCenter Nov 2013 #73
It's a damn shame Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #75
You don't matter, nor do the tens of millions of working poor about to be hammered... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #127
I thought republicans were saying that Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #205
You can read it here as well. We need to scrap this crap and get single payer. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #206
lacking context krkaufman Nov 2013 #142
you keep making this point but I'm wondering if you have laid it all out here so we can know what Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #147
Last week on PBS, a 2x Obama-voting, self-employed woman... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #175
You really want to know how? BKH70041 Nov 2013 #76
oooh intriguing.. it must be an evil conspiracy theory if it's banned here Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #149
Ancient Aliens? That's my guess LondonReign2 Nov 2013 #186
I Believe RobinA Nov 2013 #85
Obama too trusting... or naive krkaufman Nov 2013 #125
well said. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #128
It's not like the Heritage Foundation was the first or only national health care plan put in writing libdem4life Nov 2013 #87
I honestly don't think the Insurance company lies, misinformation Sheepshank Nov 2013 #93
Which legislators wrote the bill? And why are they allowing Obama to take the blame for it? Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #96
How many of them bothered to read it? badtoworse Nov 2013 #107
When the president signs the bill he has ultimate responsibility for it. n/t totodeinhere Nov 2013 #119
As do the Democrats who crafted the bill and voted for it. n/t Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #185
Because they didn't spend months running around the country lying about what it said... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #148
President did not lie. That is Corporate Media bullshit spin. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #187
Don't call the President a liar. Whisp Nov 2013 #196
What alternative label would ease your pain? The definition: Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #201
I see a definition of Joe Wilson and his many buds. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #202
Health care lobbiest wrote the damn thing liberal N proud Nov 2013 #103
I think the ACA is better than what was before, but blaming it on lobbyists is bull. Politicians lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #118
So it is the politicians fault that the lobbyist wrote the bill liberal N proud Nov 2013 #152
Yes it is their fault lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #159
The same way they were so utterly surprised that red states would turn down Medicaid expansion. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #108
Exactly Dopers_Greed Nov 2013 #111
Blindsided by the media spin, maybe, and forced to be seen acting. n/t Orsino Nov 2013 #113
Thank you! Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #115
No one was blindsided. Not the President. Not Congress. Not the media. lynne Nov 2013 #116
1000 pages krkaufman Nov 2013 #124
so you are agreeing with, for example, Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #126
Another bad thing. Keefer Nov 2013 #129
It looks even worse when, if you think back, repukes were claiming people were going hughee99 Nov 2013 #136
The Republicans smell blood in the water now and are circling. reflection Nov 2013 #141
I think they just underestimated the volume to which the small number of individual plans AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #146
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Sorry, the Rude Pundit wins this one hands down: Whisp Nov 2013 #150
Another priceless rant from the Rude One. Brigid Nov 2013 #157
That is about the best summary out there. Whisp Nov 2013 #164
He needs to direct that to Bill Clinton who still holds a grudge that this black man won! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #191
Nope. Plain as day he's in it all for himself. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #193
Yep, that too! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #195
Agreed Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #229
I am seeing an ad on the bottom of this thread . . . Brigid Nov 2013 #151
Because Landrieu is a ProSense Nov 2013 #153
Hahahaha!!!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #154
Why are people acting like this is another Great Betrayal by the Master Spelunker? Whisp Nov 2013 #160
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #166
re:God damn it. How the hell do you get blindsided by your own f%$#@*g legislation??? View profile allan01 Nov 2013 #156
And we acted surpised allinthegame Nov 2013 #161
Nah, the Democrats fight for what they believe in Fumesucker Nov 2013 #174
Maybe because their crystal ball was on the fritz? jazzimov Nov 2013 #167
You mean smartest-man-in-the-room Obama and his Ivy League administration... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #192
Scary Dumb 'Bama Coming For You............... Whisp Nov 2013 #170
You're overlooking the fact that the Rethug party during pnwmom Nov 2013 #178
Should have been public option. AndyA Nov 2013 #180
you still believe that crap, don't you? Whisp Nov 2013 #182
That's a pretty big assumption on your part. AndyA Nov 2013 #209
Excuse me, then. Maybe you can explain what you meant: Whisp Nov 2013 #210
Well you took it wrong. AndyA Nov 2013 #211
Well, sorry then. I did take it the wrong way. Whisp Nov 2013 #212
No problem AndyA Nov 2013 #234
Well... progressoid Nov 2013 #226
Now, now William, calm down... fadedrose Nov 2013 #194
Those Missouri hurricanes deaniac21 Nov 2013 #197
The hurricanes started somplace else, like the east coast, and blew a big bunch of wind fadedrose Nov 2013 #198
"Once less unto the breach, dear friends!" gulliver Nov 2013 #203
Chalk up round one to the insurance companies... kentuck Nov 2013 #204
Let's all relax. It'll get fixed. brush Nov 2013 #208
I'm pissed too-call me shallow. Boomerproud Nov 2013 #216
Yes, they did indeed write it. The problem though, is that they did not READ it after they wrote it. Chuck Smythe Nov 2013 #217
My question... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #218
Neither. Chuck Smythe Nov 2013 #224
ACA - a bad idea poorly executed. KG Nov 2013 #219
You get blindsided when the Teabagging Press start yelping to satisfy their corporate masters. tsuki Nov 2013 #220
Who is they? The sausage makers? BootinUp Nov 2013 #221
Because the insurance companies wrote it? grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #223
Really? SMH Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #227
Saying "insurance companies wrote it" (or like it) is like saying "politicians" did Recursion Nov 2013 #230
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What's the point? pintobean Nov 2013 #233
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They had to pass it mwrguy Nov 2013 #244
I Work For EDD In California... Don't I Know It Brother... WillyT Nov 2013 #249
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