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GreenStormCloud

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25. And more car means more car deaths.

Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:01 PM

Oct 2013

If there were zero gun in the U.S. then we would have zero gun deaths. But we don't know how many other kinds of violent deaths we may have in their place.

I know that my wife is alive, saved from a violent death, because she was armed when she needed to be. Her would be attacker fled when he discovered that she was armed, no shots fired.

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American Journal of Medicine: Higher gun ownership equals higher gun violence [View all] BainsBane Oct 2013 OP

Text from the study in the American Journal of Medicine BainsBane Oct 2013 #1

But more gun violence is a good thing! Turbineguy Oct 2013 #2

Their argument is that more guns prevent violence BainsBane Oct 2013 #3

Good God! That's like saying telclaven Oct 2013 #4

Those are human lives you are mocking BainsBane Oct 2013 #5

It's a stupid title for a research document telclaven Oct 2013 #6

It's the American Journal of Medicine BainsBane Oct 2013 #7

I realize it's the JofM telclaven Oct 2013 #8

The title is the piece on the Real News Network BainsBane Oct 2013 #9

You are absolutely correct and I apologize telclaven Oct 2013 #71

I can tell you suck at giving presentations and should be repremanded (sic) Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #21

What did you get your PhD in, and what sort of articles have you had published in a kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #37

Don't have a PhD, never said I did telclaven Oct 2013 #69

Then don't presume to tell PhD's how to title their published work. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #79

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #84

Wow etherealtruth Oct 2013 #42

How do they feel about your spelling? nt NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #61

Dunno telclaven Oct 2013 #70

interesting Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #31

"Declining" understates it: it has collapsed over the past 20 years Recursion Oct 2013 #35

which totally Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #38

Does it? I've seen no compelling data from anyone on actual gun ownership rates Recursion Oct 2013 #39

No, it doesn't BainsBane Oct 2013 #44

"Fewer young men, fewer homicides." EX500rider Oct 2013 #53

I used to be anti-science too on the occasions it illustrated my scared cows in a negative light. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #49

Scared cows? pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #66

uh yeah. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #20

I'd like to lower both car ownership and gun ownership rates Recursion Oct 2013 #30

You do understand that your point in no way refutes his, right? nt eqfan592 Oct 2013 #94

You hit the nail on the head. eqfan592 Oct 2013 #93

The hammer has now been given the hammer Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #95

These graphs don't seem to agree with that data: EX500rider Oct 2013 #10

In what way? BainsBane Oct 2013 #11

Well then are firearms the cause or the income levels and other factors? EX500rider Oct 2013 #12

Read the study BainsBane Oct 2013 #14

You realize there can be more than one cause, right? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #16

Evidently BainsBane Oct 2013 #17

Nuance is not often of much concern to the irreparably dense. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #57

The study argues more guns = more firearm deaths JonLP24 Oct 2013 #26

"more guns = more firearm deaths" EX500rider Oct 2013 #54

The study narrowly focuses on firearm deaths JonLP24 Oct 2013 #55

This is made with the assumption that there is literally no other variable at play in gun deaths. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #58

"In what way?" EX500rider Oct 2013 #13

that is a table--not a greaph. Your table is bogus Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #23

Bogus? EX500rider Oct 2013 #51

Guns.com? BainsBane Oct 2013 #74

Right, bad source so it must be bullshit? EX500rider Oct 2013 #85

gotta source those graphs.. G_j Oct 2013 #40

Question.. is someone more or less dead based on their income? Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #67

That compares overall homicides, not gun violence Recursion Oct 2013 #29

Yes and gun murders would be even a smaller percentage.. EX500rider Oct 2013 #52

"Gun violence" includes suicide Recursion Oct 2013 #60

We beat Kenya!!! Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #86

In related finding, increase in trampolines leads to more trampoline-related injuries Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #15

And more alcohol means more Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #27

I'll click the link JonLP24 Oct 2013 #18

You want to click the link at the bottom to see the actual study BainsBane Oct 2013 #19

Thanks JonLP24 Oct 2013 #24

sporting purposes AustinActivist435 Oct 2013 #22

And more car means more car deaths. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #25

way to bring anecdotal evidence to an empirical evidence fight Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #28

My way of pointing out that they leave out DGUs. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #32

Yes, we do know BainsBane Oct 2013 #45

The study has the same flaw that all the anti-gun studies share. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #33

Not sure there are any data to back up your claim Recursion Oct 2013 #34

Moreover, they work to make sure illegal gun owners aren't kept from BainsBane Oct 2013 #46

Where is the evidence that the study authors are "anti-gun to begin with?" Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #43

Without dividing the ownership into the two classes, the data is meaningless. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #48

The study IS concerned with suicide rates and unintentional firearm related deaths. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #50

That's a meaningless distinction Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #47

are most suicides done with illegal guns? CreekDog Oct 2013 #56

Answers: GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #62

your RW slant is relevant here. when you disagree with us on almost everything, that matters CreekDog Oct 2013 #82

So all you have is personal attack. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #83

I think you miss the point. High *legal* gun rates = high gun violence. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #72

Is an illegal gun owner someone who can't pass a background check? Hoyt Oct 2013 #78

Not the first study to show the connection, but the gun fetishists are joeybee12 Oct 2013 #36

we have more gun deaths G_j Oct 2013 #41

And water makes things wet LittleBlue Oct 2013 #59

Yeah, I didn't figure you'd bother to read the study BainsBane Oct 2013 #65

I read about this study last month LittleBlue Oct 2013 #68

Old stuff. Why re-runs? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #63

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #64

The study has been posted in DU before. It's old. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #73

You really are an extremely nasty person. MicaelS Oct 2013 #75

+1,000,000. nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #76

"Anger, bile, . . . . . hate" is also exemplified by one strapping a gun on to venture into public. Hoyt Oct 2013 #80

Only in your mind. n/t MicaelS Oct 2013 #81

No, we don't think that. n/t EX500rider Oct 2013 #88

Well you should. Hoyt Oct 2013 #91

Why? n/t EX500rider Oct 2013 #92

Exactly - People Die .... otohara Oct 2013 #77

CDC study ordered by Obama. "Ten Surprising Findings From a New Report on Gun Violence" NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #87

"It's time for DU members to have an adult conversation" EX500rider Oct 2013 #89

Ha! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #90