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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:34 PM

33. Well, let's see:

Asking the question in the first place is a little ridiculous. Why did people react differently to a dozen adults in a Navy facility being killed on the one hand, and twenty kids and six adults being slaughtered on the other? Really? You reacted to each event with the same cool equanimity, I suppose. No, I see you peppered your statement with some expressions of disapproval for gun massacres, and you used the word 'tragic.' Well done.

As to your other points:

1) People who don't like guns, such as myself, don't actually give a fuck what kind of gun it was. Your talk of "fitting the narrative" is meaningless. Whether it was a bolt-action ten gauge super-slider fast-action whizzbanger or Elmer Fudd's musket, there is still a gun problem in the U.S.

2) I'm sure you'll agree that the overwhelming majority of Americans who did not line up to purchase guns and ammo after the massacre were making their own political statement by refraining from arming up. Oh, you don't agree? Funny.

3) The people killed at the Navy Yard were just boffins, everyday people. They went to work in their office and they were shot for their trouble. So I'm not sure why you say they're hard to relate to. You seem troubled that Alexis has not been as "condemned" as the other recent killers, which is odd. He's been plenty condemned, and to the extent that he hasn't, it's because his particular insanity has been made much more specific: he was hearing voices and had very particular concerns. He was more obviously in a different reality than the others.

4) This is a particularly confused paragraph. As far as I can make out, you're angry that people should begin to see these killings as 'routine'? You can't deny that whenever it happens (which is more often than ever), people now go "Another one?", or that police departments are receiving special training for just such events now. And how much more routine does it have to become before you'll admit there's a problem, that there are too many guns out there and that they're insufficiently regulated?

You end with a heartfelt plea to take any condemnation of guns out of the equation. Talking about gun bans or presumably any sort of additional regulation divides the nation, so we'd best not go there! Why, it might cast stigma on that special subset of people who love guns but are still able to muster disapproval for the massacre of innocents. You hint that you want to "define the problem and see what can be done," but apparently until you can do so without risk of disapproval for your love of the popgun, you'll be at the range "plinking," or whatever.

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