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joshcryer

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22. I'd bet that we get a public option before the exchanges go up in 2014.

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:29 AM

Mar 2012

Note: it will only happen if we keep the pressure up, of course, so I don't mind the hyperbole and outrage over something that hasn't happened yet or will happen.

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Talking points: What to tell people who say "Obamacare forces us to buy health insurance" [View all] LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 OP

How about "so what? you have to buy car insurance too" saras Mar 2012 #1

Car insurance and health insurance are completely different Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #6

Those are differences, but not major to me, let alone "complete" saras Mar 2012 #43

I can avoid driving a car to avoid paying insurance. This forced-purchase law is bullshit. Zalatix Mar 2012 #9

You pay into Medicare don't you? joshcryer Mar 2012 #15

The fines are merely to make sure that you pay into the private health insurance system. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #17

Of course. The money will be redistributed to HHS though. joshcryer Mar 2012 #21

Bullshit. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #24

What is bullshit? If I wanted an HSA it'd be $150 a month. joshcryer Mar 2012 #26

I live in San Francisco. I don't qualify for an exchange because my employer offers Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #27

Then that's surely your employer screwing you and not health care reform? joshcryer Mar 2012 #28

When I say I can't decline group I don't mean that I don't have that option... Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #29

That's fair enough, as I said. The exclusionary period needs to be ended. joshcryer Mar 2012 #30

If we start off with a system that the employer pays 6%-7.5% into the system PLUS Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #33

Hence why I prefer MEDICARE FOR ALL over RomneyCare 2.0 Zalatix Mar 2012 #18

Of course, so do I. joshcryer Mar 2012 #20

No they're not. They're giveaways to corporations. Zalatix Mar 2012 #45

I do to, but I also support what Obama did over the previous status quo. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #25

Yes. I like paying into GOVERNMENT programs for the common good eridani Mar 2012 #32

+1 area51 Mar 2012 #16

STATES force you to buy car insurance, and THEY have that right. We don't have a NATIONAL govt... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #44

If you can whittle that down to bumper sticker size DearAbby Mar 2012 #2

Sad, but true. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #3

If they already have health insurance through their job, nothing will change MiniMe Mar 2012 #4

It amazes me, overheard on fr waiting room right after passage of bill Thinkingabout Mar 2012 #5

So essentially you are saying that this old Republican idea is a good one. MadHound Mar 2012 #7

*crickets* Zalatix Mar 2012 #10

Exactly what I was thinking. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #11

+1 Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #12

So essentially you are saying near universial coverage sucks if it's not perfect. joshcryer Mar 2012 #14

Yes. Its not the best idea, but its a decent idea. phleshdef Mar 2012 #19

I'd bet that we get a public option before the exchanges go up in 2014. joshcryer Mar 2012 #22

I wouldn't take that bet unless the time window was much wider, say, 10 or 15 years. Selatius Mar 2012 #31

What the HELL are you talking about LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #34

Republicans of that day were far more liberal than today's Republicans treestar Mar 2012 #61

Even if you have insurance you can be denied care.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #8

Increased penalties can be added later Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #13

Would we be better off without the ACA? LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #57

Absolutely not Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #59

It will hardly be enforced, the IRS doesn't think it's worth it: joshcryer Mar 2012 #23

A lot of people are self employed because there are few jobs.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #35

Basically true. sendero Mar 2012 #36

Nobody is forced to buy health insurance under the ACA LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #38

Some would say.. sendero Mar 2012 #48

It's not semantics LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #49

No.. sendero Mar 2012 #60

I tell them if they don't buy it and get hit by a truck, taxpayers are stuck with the bill. Vinca Mar 2012 #37

Your description is somewhat misleading. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #39

Not in the real world LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #41

but they will dun you, ruin your credit, etc mike_c Mar 2012 #42

The ACA helps people LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #52

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm absolutely not defending the present system. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #46

When you argue for repeal of the ACA, you argue for the status quo LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #51

And you just continue to put words in my mouth Jim Lane Mar 2012 #55

ive heard good arguments against mandates Enrique Mar 2012 #40

... Fumesucker Mar 2012 #47

Nobody thinks ACA is perfect, least of all Obama LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #50

"It's so you don't become one of those welfare queens you hate so much" krispos42 Mar 2012 #53

Of course it forces people to buy health insurance from the private market. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #54

Nope LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #56

You are arguing that the mandate is a tax. It is not. former9thward Mar 2012 #58