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hfojvt

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75. when it comes to upper class versus lower class
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:51 PM
Sep 2013

the dividing line is the median income.

I still say the white unionists were counting the money, because they were generally well ABOVE the median income, expecting to do well with Reagan's tax cuts. And the "counter culture" was long passe by 1978, even in rural South Dakota.

The exit polling bears me out on the income factor. It was greed far more than racism. Simple greed. If they hated blacks and hippies so much then they should have voted for Ford in 1976, and they didn't.

I don't get that either. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #1
Unfortunately, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #2
The left must bring back an explicit platform of economic justice to win back working-class whites meow2u3 Sep 2013 #7
We can win economic justice LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #11
it Is Not That Easy, Ma'am, To Win Back The Lost Ground The Magistrate Sep 2013 #16
You are on a roll, Sir. defacto7 Sep 2013 #102
Oh right. Because social issues -- gay rights, women's rights, etc. -- have nothing to do with pnwmom Sep 2013 #17
+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #35
Well we are wining on social issues zeemike Sep 2013 #63
Psst...did you forget about a man who stood up for union rights AND civil rights? alp227 Sep 2013 #48
I Believe He Was Shot, Sir --- Early Summer Of '68, If Recollection Serves The Magistrate Sep 2013 #66
+:) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #100
+a billion (nt) jeff47 Sep 2013 #13
it was not the working class that gave us Reagan hfojvt Sep 2013 #53
Very Well Paid Blue Collar Workers, Sir, Were The Union Members The Magistrate Sep 2013 #57
the white working class has never been all upper class hfojvt Sep 2013 #70
Upper Class, Sir, Is Hardly Even Prosperous Working Class The Magistrate Sep 2013 #71
when it comes to upper class versus lower class hfojvt Sep 2013 #75
No, Sir, it Is Not; Upper Class Is Wealth The Magistrate Sep 2013 #78
Amen to that! kentuck Sep 2013 #62
It was also Vietnam... socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #94
True, Sir, And The Left Acquired A Name For Anti-Patriotism The Magistrate Sep 2013 #96
Sop - that is it, exactly. djean111 Sep 2013 #3
Yep. Social issues are important but not a substitute for economic fairness. nt GoneFishin Sep 2013 #49
No truer words. jsr Sep 2013 #4
Greater social freedom LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #5
I agree that economic issues are more important than social issues el_bryanto Sep 2013 #6
Economic issues are more fundamental than equal rights? pnwmom Sep 2013 #18
Not sure how to respond to this. el_bryanto Sep 2013 #24
If you are going by that logic LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #34
I certainly agree that they both need to be supported el_bryanto Sep 2013 #38
I agree they "walk hand in hand." So why put one of the "hands" on the back burner? n/y pnwmom Sep 2013 #52
I don't think I argued that you should el_bryanto Sep 2013 #55
If to be "bad on civil rights issues is generally immoral" pnwmom Sep 2013 #58
Because they effect fewer people el_bryanto Sep 2013 #61
Women are the majority of the population, and when you toss in gay people and minorities, pnwmom Sep 2013 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #72
OK - you know what - I'm sorry. I guess I'm just an insensitive bad person for not el_bryanto Sep 2013 #73
I didn't mean to beat up on you. My anger is over a whole spate of posts LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #74
another +infinity post! (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #80
And I agree with all that - political issues aren't an either/or thing for me. el_bryanto Sep 2013 #81
That seems reasonable! Didn't mean to jump on you. LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #85
+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #91
I wasn't trying to shame you; I was trying to have a discussion with you. pnwmom Sep 2013 #79
Well presumably that's because I have a guilty conscience. nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #82
+1 the idea that social issues are frivolous and unimportant is an idea only LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #64
Depends on the issues in question, and what you mean by "important". Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #86
... doesn't work, there is no such thing as "economics free" politics. bemildred Sep 2013 #8
Economics=Politics TBF Sep 2013 #9
That's how I view many of today's libertarians OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #10
dope-smoking Republicans (they believe that laissez-faire PREVENTS monopoly, so...) MisterP Sep 2013 #69
I blame working class whites because they succumbed to Reaganomics and bought into the idea Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #12
Sure things have changed! jeff47 Sep 2013 #15
Not all of them. Some of them voted in the 2008 Democratic primaries and supported Hillary Clinton Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #28
Don't blame voters. The Democrats fucked up leftstreet Sep 2013 #19
Yes, that too. Tom Frank's "What's the Matter With Kansas" should be required reading! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Sep 2013 #27
+ A gazillion. Plus they don't like us wimmin taking "their" jobs either. LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #65
Uh-huh!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #93
Where's the evidence that working class whites, as a group, "succumbed to Reaganomics?" YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #77
Where did I assert that working class whites are a monolith? I didn't. But to deny that the Democrat Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #92
The title of post #12 Taitertots Sep 2013 #95
Of course you can't believe that I'm that naive. You are just nitpicking, trying to pick a fight. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #98
I have a hard time believing that after reading your first post. It is exactly what you posted. Taitertots Sep 2013 #111
Please. Give it up. No one else had an issue with my post but you. You have a problem because Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #113
Lol, get called out for racist broad brush attacks... Taitertots Sep 2013 #114
The economy IS a social issue which is why when conservative claim they are losing on social issues Johonny Sep 2013 #14
Nailed it. Scuba Sep 2013 #20
Corporate controlled messaging is the primary reason. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #21
+100000 Don't mistake propaganda woo me with science Sep 2013 #26
+100000 to your post as well. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #29
We are in a propaganda deluge. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #107
...and yet some people still call it the Democratic party. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #22
Economic justice, social justice, neither will happen until we address the Root Cause of why Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #25
True. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #30
If they are anti-capitalist they are, at a minimum, a socialist....... socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #97
Really, the party that wrote federal jobs bills, veterans jobs bills, anti outsourcing bills, JaneyVee Sep 2013 #31
The pending TPP is not an "anti outsourcing bill". It is not a "veterans job bill;" it fact it AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #36
You're right, THOSE bills were blocked by the opposition party...over and over again. JaneyVee Sep 2013 #40
bwahahaha. that's your defense of the TPP? cali Sep 2013 #41
Who's "defending" the TPP? Poster was putting words in my mouth, I showed JaneyVee Sep 2013 #43
German military uniforms can be made in any of about 30 countries and yet pampango Sep 2013 #45
Author and like minded thinkers always give Repubs a pass. It's like reading the Green party TOS. great white snark Sep 2013 #67
Isn't that 'pretty much' the definition of libertarianism? n/t Dawgs Sep 2013 #32
Paying lip service to social issues is not adequate. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #33
That's not how economics works, you know. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #83
You're right. You've convinced me. We need more lip service from politicians. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #87
The problem probably doesn't have a solution, sadly. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #90
Nice post. Thanks. n/t pampango Sep 2013 #89
I agree 100% Cali raindaddy Sep 2013 #37
Trade-offs BKH70041 Sep 2013 #39
well that was lame. what the hell sense did that make? None cali Sep 2013 #42
Made perfect sense to me Recursion Sep 2013 #44
?? BKH70041 Sep 2013 #47
However more socially liberal nations seem to do better economically overall Fumesucker Sep 2013 #104
A good course in political history will show that Liberalism and Capitalism (Adam Smith) Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #46
Sorry for nitpicking LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #84
You could say that, but when the Democratic Party allowed black people into the party Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #88
That was a thing of beauty. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #108
Democrats? I'd rather say people under 35, alp227 Sep 2013 #50
Every paper in America has a Business Section but there's no Labor Section.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #51
To me the odd thing is tilting things so heavily against small businesses. dkf Sep 2013 #54
The OP is dead-on right Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #56
Good observation. K&R nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #60
That's called being a libertarian, and it's pretty dumb. Laelth Sep 2013 #76
Frankly, most social issues are tied to the economic issues. Bake Sep 2013 #99
Economic liberalism is liberalism. Deep13 Sep 2013 #101
TPTB gladly give us social issues while they take over the world. cui bono Sep 2013 #103
Reagan firing the air traffic controllers was a defining moment michigandem58 Sep 2013 #105
Social issues depend on sound economic policy RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #106
Seems to be? It's twenty years in. PeteSelman Sep 2013 #109
clearer eyed words are rarely spoken Agony Sep 2013 #110
The Clintonites MFrohike Sep 2013 #112
...or Matt Damon gets thrown under the bus. nt Agony Sep 2013 #115
"Liberal on social issues" LWolf Sep 2013 #116
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