HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Being liberal on social i... » Reply #60

Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:04 PM

60. W.B. Michaels pegged it a few years ago in his book "The Trouble With Diversity"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022969789

http://jacobinmag.com/2011/01/let-them-eat-diversity/

Let Them Eat Diversity: multiculturalism as an artifact of neoliberalism

...Major social changes have taken place in the past 40 years with remarkable rapidity, but not any in any sense inimical to capitalism. Capitalism has no problem with gay people getting married and people who self-identify as neoliberals understand this very well. So I think the main thing to say there is that, maybe in the book a lot of the examples tend to be academic examples, but I think you can find examples in American society everywhere of the extraordinary power, the hegemony of the model of anti-discrimination, accompanied by defense of property, as the guiding precepts of social justice. You can see this in the study that people have recently been making fun of—the one that shows that liberals are not as liberal as they think they are. What it showed was that when people were asked about the question of redistribution of wealth they turned out to be a lot less egalitarian than they thought they were. People who characterized themselves as “extremely liberal” nevertheless had real problems with the redistribution of wealth. And someone pointed out, I think he teaches at Stanford, that that’s the wrong way to think of this, because yes it’s true that especially as people get more wealthy they tend to become less committed to the redistribution of wealth but there are lots of ways in which they become “more liberal”—with respect to gay rights, antiracism, with respect to all the so-called “social issues,” as long as these social issues are defined in such a way that they have nothing to do with decreasing the increased inequalities brought about by capitalism, which is to say, taking away rich liberals’ money.

The truth is, it’s hard to find any political movement that’s really against neoliberalism today, the closest I can come is the Tea Party. The Tea Party represents in my view, not actually a serious, because it’s so inchoate and it’s so in a certain sense diluted, but nonetheless a real reaction against neoliberalism that is not simply a reaction against neoliberalism from the old racist Right. It’s a striking fact that what the American Left mainly wants to do is reduce the Tea Party to racists as quickly as humanly possible. They’re thrilled when some Nazis come out and say “Yeah, we support the Tea Party” or some member of the Tea Party says something racist, which is frequently enough. But you can’t understand the real politics of the Tea Party unless you understand how important their opposition to illegal immigration is. Because who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know only one set of people is for illegal immigration, I mean you may be , but as far as I know the only people who are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists.

First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to market conditions.

So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the U.S. is a very high tolerance of illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of ne plus ultra of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s why for years—even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms—as a policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by the Tea Party. So you get these people who are saying illegal immigration sucks, and even Glenn Beck will say “immigration good, illegal immigration bad” and, what he’s reacting against is not, as he thinks, socialism but currently existing capitalism, but he has no clue....

Walter Benn Michaels is the author of The Trouble with Diversity.


This explains how uber-capitalist Michael Bloomberg has essentially bought the silence of parts of the
Democratic Party by his financial support for gun control. Bloomie may be evil, but he's certainly
not stupid...


Reply to this post

Back to OP Alert abuse Link to post in-thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 116 replies Author Time Post
cali Sep 2013 OP
Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #1
The Magistrate Sep 2013 #2
meow2u3 Sep 2013 #7
LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #11
The Magistrate Sep 2013 #16
defacto7 Sep 2013 #102
pnwmom Sep 2013 #17
LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #35
zeemike Sep 2013 #63
alp227 Sep 2013 #48
The Magistrate Sep 2013 #66
grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #100
jeff47 Sep 2013 #13
hfojvt Sep 2013 #53
The Magistrate Sep 2013 #57
hfojvt Sep 2013 #70
The Magistrate Sep 2013 #71
hfojvt Sep 2013 #75
The Magistrate Sep 2013 #78
kentuck Sep 2013 #62
socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #94
The Magistrate Sep 2013 #96
djean111 Sep 2013 #3
GoneFishin Sep 2013 #49
jsr Sep 2013 #4
LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #5
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #6
pnwmom Sep 2013 #18
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #24
LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #34
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #38
pnwmom Sep 2013 #52
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #55
pnwmom Sep 2013 #58
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #61
pnwmom Sep 2013 #68
LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #72
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #73
LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #74
LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #80
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #81
LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #85
Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #91
pnwmom Sep 2013 #79
el_bryanto Sep 2013 #82
LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #64
Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #86
bemildred Sep 2013 #8
TBF Sep 2013 #9
OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #10
MisterP Sep 2013 #69
Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #12
jeff47 Sep 2013 #15
Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #28
leftstreet Sep 2013 #19
Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #23
ieoeja Sep 2013 #27
LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #65
Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #93
YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #77
Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #92
Taitertots Sep 2013 #95
Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #98
Taitertots Sep 2013 #111
Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #113
Taitertots Sep 2013 #114
Johonny Sep 2013 #14
Scuba Sep 2013 #20
Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #21
woo me with science Sep 2013 #26
Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #29
Enthusiast Sep 2013 #107
L0oniX Sep 2013 #22
Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #25
PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #30
socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #97
JaneyVee Sep 2013 #31
AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #36
JaneyVee Sep 2013 #40
cali Sep 2013 #41
JaneyVee Sep 2013 #43
pampango Sep 2013 #45
great white snark Sep 2013 #67
Dawgs Sep 2013 #32
AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #33
Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #83
AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #87
Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #90
pampango Sep 2013 #89
raindaddy Sep 2013 #37
BKH70041 Sep 2013 #39
cali Sep 2013 #42
Recursion Sep 2013 #44
BKH70041 Sep 2013 #47
Fumesucker Sep 2013 #104
Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #46
LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #84
Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #88
Enthusiast Sep 2013 #108
alp227 Sep 2013 #50
Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #51
dkf Sep 2013 #54
Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #56
99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #59
LineReply W.B. Michaels pegged it a few years ago in his book "The Trouble With Diversity"
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2013 #60
Laelth Sep 2013 #76
Bake Sep 2013 #99
Deep13 Sep 2013 #101
cui bono Sep 2013 #103
michigandem58 Sep 2013 #105
RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #106
PeteSelman Sep 2013 #109
Agony Sep 2013 #110
MFrohike Sep 2013 #112
Agony Sep 2013 #115
LWolf Sep 2013 #116
Please login to view edit histories.