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joshcryer

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22. How does this make them look foolish?

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:52 PM

Sep 2013

It prevents them from having to call out Russia, that's all. Otherwise it appears that Russia's been the target in this all along.

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Turns out POTUS talked w Putin about this Russian plan last week in their 20-min pull aside at G20. [View all] kpete Sep 2013 OP

Wow! That proves that it was planned. joshcryer Sep 2013 #1

Doesn't mean it was a bluff. Just Saying Sep 2013 #8

He said this was his preferred option. joshcryer Sep 2013 #9

Since I'm not of the mindset that this President is a Just Saying Sep 2013 #10

Well, certainly the rhetoric was war-monger-esque. joshcryer Sep 2013 #21

Things just aren't that simple. Just Saying Sep 2013 #29

That's fair enough. joshcryer Sep 2013 #30

The whole time he was saying that a political solution was his preference. tridim Sep 2013 #76

but I think he had to set the scene...he had to appear to be willing to stand up to MOST of the VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #33

I actually believe President Obama was prepared to make a strategic strike Just Saying Sep 2013 #39

Yeah I think he wasn't playing....but the scene had to be set... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #42

Gamesmanship. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2

Yeah, be all, "Sup Putin?" joshcryer Sep 2013 #3

Ha! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #43

And now the heads will explode! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #4

can you link to a post that is an example of the love for Putin you complained has happened on DU? CreekDog Sep 2013 #5

You, least of all, deserve any kind of answer from me Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #6

you deserve to be criticized for posting an accusation that you don't even believe CreekDog Sep 2013 #7

+infinity...also, who loves Putin now? nashville_brook Sep 2013 #17

God it feels good to be a Democrat! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #53

I don't think it's necessarily worship, but giving Putin more credit then he deserves davidpdx Sep 2013 #26

yes, but is the OP we're talking about complaining that DUers gave Putin more credit than deserved? CreekDog Sep 2013 #52

I'm just giving you my perspective davidpdx Sep 2013 #66

but but but...I thought Russia was soooo modern and forward thinking now... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #54

I WILL NEVER cliffordu Sep 2013 #13

LOL!!!! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #56

and watch out for thumb wrestling...cause he is a cagey Mofo... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #57

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #11

Wasn't it a reporter who asked the question? BlueCheese Sep 2013 #16

I'm sorry ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #25

I think we have been watching good cop/bad cop Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #12

Seems pretty clear. Kerry makes a pretty obvious bad cop. Barack_America Sep 2013 #38

Wow. You guys will believe absolutely anything. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #14

did it ever occur to you that looking foolish doesn't bother either Obama or Kerry if their goal KittyWampus Sep 2013 #20

Looking foolish is never a good idea for a head of state. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #23

so your suggestion is rather than look foolish....go to war? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #78

How does this make them look foolish? joshcryer Sep 2013 #22

The Administration looked confused and inept. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #24

The President maintained he could do it without support. joshcryer Sep 2013 #34

The only thing the Russians have done so far is buy their Syrian clients time. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #44

Which Juan Cole believes is what the US wants. joshcryer Sep 2013 #45

The US wants Syria to have time to hide their chemical weapons? Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #46

The US wants more time. joshcryer Sep 2013 #47

I'm getting confused. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #49

Because we feared chemical weapons would be a game changer. joshcryer Sep 2013 #51

desperation.. showin..... dionysus Sep 2013 #27

+1 LittleBlue Sep 2013 #35

so since you don't play n-th degree chess...do you know the game of poker.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #59

Llewlladdwr kpete Sep 2013 #77

It's all Kabuki Theatre for the 99%. alittlelark Sep 2013 #15

It's a hybrid Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #18

Remember when Obama was on tv doing the Press Club comedy bit and bin Laden was being deep sixed? KittyWampus Sep 2013 #19

no, he's simultaneously an incompetant idiot and an evil mastermind to morons here. dionysus Sep 2013 #28

Heh. joshcryer Sep 2013 #36

DU'ers were so busy humping Snowden/Greenwald they missed anything else. I posted a bunch of stuff KittyWampus Sep 2013 #37

Nailed it nobodyspecial Sep 2013 #40

+2, Dionysus Hekate Sep 2013 #63

+1, Kitty Hekate Sep 2013 #62

Excellent example, K. That is willfully ignored because you know.. Cha Sep 2013 #71

Kerry made an oops Hydra Sep 2013 #31

I think by the time the President and Putin met, the President snappyturtle Sep 2013 #32

Well, this works to "save face" for the "red line" comment. joshcryer Sep 2013 #50

Could it be that Putin needed to talk to Assad before anything could be done? It would explain the jwirr Sep 2013 #41

Just Saying (the poster in this thread) suggested that. I think that's a fair point. joshcryer Sep 2013 #48

Agreed but this is worth a try. It saves lives if they can get it done,. jwirr Sep 2013 #75

teabaggers and fox-nonsense aren't going bite on this one... Hulk Sep 2013 #58

It is all Kabuki theater BlueStreak Sep 2013 #60

If this had been the goal from the start, JoeyT Sep 2013 #61

Regardless of this ridiculous "multidimensional chess" analogy, where would any of us be if there gtar100 Sep 2013 #64

Your make a lot of sense. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #68

There's no peace to smell, kpete. Syria's a mess, and we all know it. Hekate Sep 2013 #65

Occam's razor TM99 Sep 2013 #67

Exactly. Thank you. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #69

Bullshit. ocpagu Sep 2013 #70

Post of the day! CrispyQ Sep 2013 #79

At this point everyone is just going to believe their preferred narrative anyway. I'm just glad that stevenleser Sep 2013 #72

Apparently some people can't Cha Sep 2013 #73

It doesn't matter. It worked out in a good way. Two world leaders Autumn Sep 2013 #74