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In reply to the discussion: Like President Clinton, Obama will strike without UN or Congressional approval IMHO [View all]morningfog
(18,115 posts)64. If that is the case, which I don't disagree that is a strong possibility, it will be illegal under
international and domestic law. The strikes will be impeachable in the US and war crimes internationally.
He will personally take the full brunt of the humanitarian disaster that follows. It would be an incredibly horrible decision.
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Like President Clinton, Obama will strike without UN or Congressional approval IMHO [View all]
arely staircase
Sep 2013
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If he got congressional approval would that mean that congress would have declared the war?
Little Star
Sep 2013
#1
I know but if they do approve this time does it mean that they are the ones declaring war?
Little Star
Sep 2013
#5
There would then not be one - the President is the only one who can commit troops
karynnj
Sep 2013
#59
The vote in the house hadn't taken place but the senate had already voted yes.....
Little Star
Sep 2013
#6
Probably not, but the circumstances were different so he was able to get by with it
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#14
It would be more than committe hearings, the House would almost certainly vote to impeach
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#20
I believe that is only the case if there is a direct threat to our national security
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#23
I don't think there is any such requirement. If there is it would be "as determined by the
arely staircase
Sep 2013
#24
Just because it was violated in the past does not mean it could be violated this time
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#33
it isn't a law. it is a congressional resolution, actually. I thought it was a law, but I was wrong
arely staircase
Sep 2013
#51
Nor did Congress explicitly say No before the fighting began in any of those cases either
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#54
I'm not proposing anything. I am predicting that, like President Clinton in Kosova,
arely staircase
Sep 2013
#63
A No vote on authorization means no bombing, if Obama bombs anyway he would deserve impeachment
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#67
Well if the White House does not interpret it that way they will face impeachment
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#70
I haven't addressed "outrage around the world". So I don't know how I am underestimating it.
arely staircase
Sep 2013
#71
Bush and Cheney and their Junta should be standing trial for Iraq for this very reason. - nt
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#34
Agree fully with your analysis. There is no double-jeopardy in impeachment either. If they
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#46
Look, I've voted Democratic in every election since 1980. That's meant holding my nose for
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#80
you may consider it, but I would lay money that not a single Dem. congressperson would.
arely staircase
Sep 2013
#81
Republicans have the majority in the House (where the impeachment would commence). A Dem
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#82
OK. We're debating the chances of a hypothetical, so I guess for now we'll just have to
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#85
They'd have perfect political cover to impeach him if he proceeds to attack without approval.
David__77
Sep 2013
#35
I sort of agree w/1914 analogy. And it's why, at this point, we should stay away.
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#44
Will President Obama ignore all the atrocities committed by the rebels in the meanwhile? Civil
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#37
If that is the case, which I don't disagree that is a strong possibility, it will be illegal under
morningfog
Sep 2013
#64
Obama Has No 'Intention' To Strike Syria If Congress Says No (NPR - 6 September)
struggle4progress
Sep 2013
#66