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MADem

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8. Well, Yemen is no paradise, even today. They continue to struggle, but
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:47 AM
Sep 2013

there's at least a lid on that pot.

I believe USA--and the Arab League--feel there is a hope in hell of bringing all parties to the table under one or the other of al-Assad's Vice Presidents...they are, perhaps, more pragmatic than the present dictator.

There will be no "sit down" or "power sharing" or "transition to democracy or some-other-form-of-representative-government" (even something like a "constitutional dictatorship" where there's limited redress) so long as al Assad and his gassy brother are running things. Absolute power has corrupted absolutely. Those two do not want to give that up, and they need to be shown the door in a "Grab your ass and run if you know what's good for you" kind of way.

That said, leaving a vacuum is not a good idea there, either, because the first idiots who reach the halls of power will try to grab the brass ring. Then the next bozos along will fight with them, and chaos will ensue. Having a VP (or both of them) take over and smooth everything over while the same bureaucracies grind away doing the business of government and keeping the streets swept and the lights on is a good thing. Then, perhaps, everyone can sit down and talk about the future of the country. The weirdos who are effective fighters but who are really fringe assholes won't do as well around a table--they won't be able to help doing the "My way or the highway" approach to negotiation, and that will turn the war weary people against them.

I think Syrians will find a certain appeal in a "reasonable person" approach to solving this mess. It's hard to know for sure, though. All I know is that the Gassy al Assad brothers have committed crimes against humanity on a large scale, and that's just not OK with the world. We can't ignore it.

Report to NATO: 70% of Syrians support Assad [View all] Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 OP
the article is 3 months old. Assad isn't currently "winning". It would be great to find something KittyWampus Sep 2013 #1
Yes, I would too KW. nt Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #2
This was reported to NATO, not done by NATO maddezmom Sep 2013 #3
Yes, the OP link said the same thing. nt Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #6
I don't think that's accurate. David__77 Sep 2013 #4
Why? He had about 60% popular support in Jan 2012 before the Syrians caught a glimpse of the rebels Catherina Sep 2013 #14
The US is not in favor of regime change. The US favors "Assad change." MADem Sep 2013 #5
But Yemen's government is cooperative with us though. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #7
Well, Yemen is no paradise, even today. They continue to struggle, but MADem Sep 2013 #8
My request to you, if you have time in next few days, is to start an OP on this subject- KittyWampus Sep 2013 #9
Actually, the hope was that he'd be persuaded to pack and leave long ago...but the ebb and flow of MADem Sep 2013 #12
His pals in Russia also don't seem to be delivering those fighter jets he hasn't paid for. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #13
With 'friends' like that.... MADem Sep 2013 #24
Their other option is theocratic rule most likely under Sharia law. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #10
They're waiting for us with flowers I tell ya! Yemen too can't wait to thank us for the drone love Catherina Sep 2013 #11
We still have a problem with that "ends justifying the means" thing. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #16
Gee, I thought it was 97%. moondust Sep 2013 #15
Why are you posting wing-nut drivel on DU? ellisonz Sep 2013 #17
Oh for pete's sake, get a grip. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #22
Really? Really, really? *pre-emptive facepalm* ellisonz Sep 2013 #25
And you're still saying nothing to show that the fact isn't true. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #27
I rendered your argument baseless and laughably un-sourced. ellisonz Sep 2013 #30
The premise is that a small minority are in oppostion to Assad. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #32
Show me your source to establish it! ellisonz Sep 2013 #34
That's not what proving a negative means. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #37
lol - I'm coining a new term to describe such an argument - "anti-logic." ellisonz Sep 2013 #41
Fine, you keep looking for a stat that will refute the one given Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #43
Here's something from the Guardian... David__77 Sep 2013 #33
Columnist, not the Guardian per say... ellisonz Sep 2013 #36
OK, well I meant it was a better source. David__77 Sep 2013 #38
So in short, it is not a good source. n/t ellisonz Sep 2013 #39
It's better than no data. As polling data generally is. David__77 Sep 2013 #42
They will love our humanitarian bombs. woo me with science Sep 2013 #18
It's not that they "support Assad", but that they want him to win. Xithras Sep 2013 #19
When you torture/rape/execute those who oppose you... FBaggins Sep 2013 #20
They MUST love Assad: look at the results of their free and fair election in 2007 brooklynite Sep 2013 #21
Since you edited, I'll edit too. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #23
Did they poll the 2 million refugees, too? blm Sep 2013 #26
Maybe someone should be asking them. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #29
Aside from the fact that no poll or survey done in Syria under the current conditions Daniel537 Sep 2013 #28
What it means (to me) is, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #31
Report: 70% of germans support their leader, therefore he is good The Straight Story Sep 2013 #35
If it had been an internal civil war, maybe so. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #40
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