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Cerridwen

(13,251 posts)
43. The NSA/security appartus argument.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 02:40 PM
Aug 2013

Was that a "strong" or a "weak" argument? Do you think the spokespersons had their audience's best interests clearly in mind, or their own?

Do you hold a similar standard for those who would protect the status quo as the one you hold for those who challenge the status quo? Or do you accept the status quo as de facto correct and objective while any challenge or critique of same is de facto incorrect and biased?

Or perhaps you have something more nuanced?



bravo indeed! mike_c Aug 2013 #1
and kpete Aug 2013 #4
Bam! There we have it, in one crisp concise headline. Well done Guardian!! 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #2
FINALLY!!! kpete Aug 2013 #3
"It is not the role of politicians or civil servants to determine the limits of public discussion" kentuck Aug 2013 #5
small steps... agent46 Aug 2013 #30
From what I've seen British newspapers are far superior to ours in every area. ... spin Aug 2013 #6
Oh, they have some crap rags and channels there too. riqster Aug 2013 #36
I often find the Brits tend to use more photos and graphics in their articles. ... spin Aug 2013 #38
............. Hotler Aug 2013 #7
Guardian - truth. 840high Aug 2013 #8
K&R for the subject line alone! n/t Skip Intro Aug 2013 #9
The New York Times is their great champion? FarCenter Aug 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author agent46 Aug 2013 #31
Likely, however, who would be a better collaborative safeguard? closeupready Aug 2013 #45
Woof!! The Guardian lays down the gauntlet! longship Aug 2013 #11
That sort of talk is dangerous. We need to watch what we say. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #12
Excellent. They went too far this time. That's always what Authoritarians do. They get so drunk sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #13
Finally, the light of reason: QuestForSense Aug 2013 #14
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #15
Excellent article. blackspade Aug 2013 #16
if only... kpete Aug 2013 #19
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2013 #17
"Why wasn’t I consulted is the fundamental question of the web,” Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #18
K&R Ocelot Aug 2013 #20
Kick Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #21
Snowden/Greenwald weakened their own argument badly. gulliver Aug 2013 #22
Never understood LiberalLovinLug Aug 2013 #24
Do I really need to explain it to you? gulliver Aug 2013 #35
yes LiberalLovinLug Aug 2013 #39
Wow. You claim you are actually, truly puzzled... gulliver Aug 2013 #40
Why not actually answer to some of my points LiberalLovinLug Aug 2013 #42
The more you people try and demonize Snowden and Greenwald, Maedhros Aug 2013 #34
The NSA/security appartus argument. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #43
Excellent editorial. deurbano Aug 2013 #23
kn r Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #25
I second your BRAVO!!! Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #26
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #27
K&R felix_numinous Aug 2013 #28
I wish we could get the Guardian in the US GeoWilliam750 Aug 2013 #29
Yeah and it's not the role of gopiscrap Aug 2013 #32
Epic agent46 Aug 2013 #33
K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #37
Where was it ever said that it was? treestar Aug 2013 #41
The Guardian - serious journalism, as opposed to bimbo-fed infotainment stateside. closeupready Aug 2013 #44
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