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Cha

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73. If only Manning had just whistelblowed through the correct channels..
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:36 PM
Aug 2013

what he knew to be very wrong.

"7 years" doesn't sound too bad if that's possible for good behavior. And, yes, snowden does need to accept responsibility for his actions.

The pilot who killed all those people is a piece of shit. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #1
And then Private Manning negated that heroic act by doing the mass file dumps jmowreader Aug 2013 #157
Working against dictatorial regimes? Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #168
Manning doesn't live in a dictatorial regime. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #227
Authoritarian, yes. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #228
It's not possible for any of us to answer. pnwmom Aug 2013 #229
When you play with fire, you can get burned. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #269
Why? Because we have a long history of conflict with Russia, that's why. pnwmom Aug 2013 #281
Because everyone does it. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #282
No, but some of the people the State Department works with do jmowreader Aug 2013 #287
Since you asked, there's a major difference between Manning and Dick Cheney. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #264
what pilot are you talking about? hfojvt Aug 2013 #171
Chelsea Manning revealed the video tape slaughter of civilians, including two Reuters journalists myrna minx Aug 2013 #189
I remembered that one hfojvt Aug 2013 #217
The war crimes... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #230
not having actually read the Geneva Conventions hfojvt Aug 2013 #234
OMG! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #243
Yes...and the invasion itself was illegal deutsey Aug 2013 #250
OMG indeed. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #262
I find it more strange hfojvt Aug 2013 #298
A treaty is a treaty. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #304
Yep. I remember how the Nazis 'treated' our servicemen COLGATE4 Aug 2013 #270
That was a well known exception. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #278
Except in WWII when you were caught fighting... EX500rider Aug 2013 #300
There are always atrocities. You're against the Geneva Convention? Enthusiast Aug 2013 #307
Very for battlefield rules....esp the wearing of uniforms while fighting.. EX500rider Aug 2013 #309
Which God would that be? hfojvt Aug 2013 #295
Oh come on... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #263
when it comes to war I think there should only be one rule hfojvt Aug 2013 #294
+1 oldhippie Aug 2013 #301
Like it or not PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #2
Manning has asked to be referred to as Chelsea leftstreet Aug 2013 #3
Thats not going to happen in Historic NY Aug 2013 #129
Military prison isn't the same as civilian leftstreet Aug 2013 #131
He's neither a hero nor a traitor. He is an actual whistleblower. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #4
Leaker might be more accurate. ucrdem Aug 2013 #12
I think you are confusing motive with knowledge... cascadiance Aug 2013 #38
Ellsberg knew what he was leaking because he helped write it. Manning didn't. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #48
And AFAIK, Ellsberg made no money off his release, neither did Manning. Nor did Ellsberg's helpers, freshwest Aug 2013 #114
How could he be a "whistleblower" when he wasn't Cha Aug 2013 #36
I see your point, but by definition of whistleblower he actually uncovered JaneyVee Aug 2013 #53
If only Manning had just whistelblowed through the correct channels.. Cha Aug 2013 #73
I agree. It's sad because he obviously has psychological problems and needs help, JaneyVee Aug 2013 #77
The channels are a JOKE! Sibel Edmonds would LAUGH you in the face. She tried that way... cascadiance Aug 2013 #93
NO, they are not!! Manning wouldn't be looking at 35 fucking years. Cha Aug 2013 #98
You are confusing prosecuting whistleblowers with prosecuting REAL wrongdoers they expose! cascadiance Aug 2013 #104
Watch this one Enthusiast Aug 2013 #249
+1 progressoid Aug 2013 #261
A different site! burnodo Aug 2013 #5
yup... my 1st thought. alittlelark Aug 2013 #133
+1 The little creep knew the consequences of his actions and chose doc03 Aug 2013 #6
creep? burnodo Aug 2013 #8
twerp? michigandem58 Aug 2013 #10
hero? burnodo Aug 2013 #16
convicted... period DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #22
criminality determined by the state being the only determinant factor burnodo Aug 2013 #28
plenty of people think he was guilty, just not the State DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #33
well, then burnodo Aug 2013 #40
Then is Nelson Mandela the leader of South Africa? He was a "criminal" and... cascadiance Aug 2013 #74
Well said. zeemike Aug 2013 #149
Perfectly said. Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #213
Our country is nothing like apartheid South Africa treestar Aug 2013 #279
The point is that just because our legal system says he's guilty doesn't mean it "ends" now... cascadiance Aug 2013 #283
Our country is so good it even has a whistleblower Protection Act treestar Aug 2013 #310
And it is "so good" that these whistleblower "protection" acts DON'T protect security whistleblowers cascadiance Aug 2013 #311
Did you mean "not just the State" dgauss Aug 2013 #102
it doesn't matter, I sent out a 5 alarm to the fire department DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #136
Hardly full blaze... elias7 Aug 2013 #194
Not full blaze? I saw someone here on DU claiming Manning should win the Nobel Prize DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #198
With talk like that - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #219
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #239
And no one is ever wrongly convicted. n/t Orsino Aug 2013 #288
Traitor and treason have very specific meanings in the USA The Second Stone Aug 2013 #7
Don't sweat the details. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #14
I also don't get the 'traitor to his country' phrase. It's more of a political term than legal one. freshwest Aug 2013 #135
Nice diagnosis, Dr Frist Fumesucker Aug 2013 #9
Not a traitor zipplewrath Aug 2013 #11
I'm no Manning fan, but "treason" has a specific meaning Recursion Aug 2013 #13
Piss off! n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #15
+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #17
+2 donheld Aug 2013 #231
Whatever he is, or isn't, we are in dire need of more like him. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #18
I see nothing wrong with telling the world that a part of your country is barbaric. BlueJazz Aug 2013 #19
There ya' go. +1 n/t Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #184
He was badly used by Assange and others, no doubt about that. ucrdem Aug 2013 #20
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #197
Blah, blah, blah, time of war, blah, blah, blah. Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #21
Blah, blah, blah... he was CONVICTED for his criminal actions DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #23
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #182
WOW.. your post about guards is revealing DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #238
We are not at war ArcticFox Aug 2013 #216
That would be Chelsea, okay? Small thing to many. HUGE thing to her. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #24
Written before the change n/t michigandem58 Aug 2013 #30
Here at DU, the "edit post" function works really well. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #43
So fix it, then. Iggo Aug 2013 #245
Well now you know. Why not edit your frigging OP?.... Little Star Aug 2013 #253
Like it or not, most people on this site know you are a right-winger Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #25
rec PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #35
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #44
+1000 RetroLounge Aug 2013 #62
Chelsea Manning's expressed purpose was to bash the Obama administration which s/he despised. ucrdem Aug 2013 #65
We can see through your act as well, you constantly smear the left Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #71
"Expressed" means s/he said it, and Manning said it, in May 2010 ucrdem Aug 2013 #86
That does not say what you claim it does, not even close Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #92
It's a direct quotation. Your agreement doesn't make it any less a RW bash. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #95
Yes, it is a direct quote that says nothing like you claimed it said Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #101
He wanted to embarrass Hillary who was Obama's Secretary of State. He did. ucrdem Aug 2013 #107
The quote shows she wanted to make the info available to the public Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #111
But that isn't what she said. It's what you want to believe she said. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #118
Actually she did say it... Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #125
"Hilary Clinton, and several thousand diplomats ... are going to have a heart attack" ucrdem Aug 2013 #128
Still don't see anything about her purpose being to "bash Obama" Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #132
Manning's intent was to embarrass the Obama administration by revealing private diplomatic cables. ucrdem Aug 2013 #134
blah, blah, blah, crap, crap, crap blackspade Aug 2013 #141
I'm quoting Manning's own private expression of his/her intent. ucrdem Aug 2013 #145
Thanks underscoring my point. blackspade Aug 2013 #148
Likewise. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #153
Dream on. blackspade Aug 2013 #187
You have made it clear you have no interest in evidence Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #143
The evidence doesn't support your views and you don't like it. Sorry about that. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #150
That quote has always shattered the "whistleblower" meme Number23 Aug 2013 #210
And that, in your subject line, was the real crime wasn't it? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #166
Yes and no. ucrdem Aug 2013 #299
Yeah, just marginalize people who don't agree with you shenmue Aug 2013 #110
Have you read this person's posts? He is constantly marginalizing anyone who is to the left of him Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #120
Transparent as hell - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #220
I like you Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #291
I don't condone it, either. But, at least Manning is Cha Aug 2013 #26
Sooooooo Showden should subject himself to the criminal mistreatment of Manning burnodo Aug 2013 #31
snowden's a coward. end of story. Cha Aug 2013 #34
Snowden is a hero. end of story. former9thward Aug 2013 #39
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #42
Coming from a green/snow worhipper.. big fucking surprise. Cha Aug 2013 #47
Bush and Cheney were war criminals...Barack Obama decided to ognore that burnodo Aug 2013 #51
My bad.. I forgot Asshat.. Cha Aug 2013 #67
doesn't clear Obama from being a war criminal burnodo Aug 2013 #75
By what legal definition is Obama a "war criminal"? ucrdem Aug 2013 #94
Bush, Cheney...war criminals burnodo Aug 2013 #100
I repeat: By what legal definition is Obama a war criminal? ucrdem Aug 2013 #103
war criminal burnodo Aug 2013 #109
Per "a private organization set up and chartered under Malaysian law." I see. ucrdem Aug 2013 #117
..... and perilously close to impeachment, apparently. Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #115
Poor kid. It is a hell of a process. Best wishes to her. Still has many years to get things right. freshwest Aug 2013 #192
Yes! I've read..and hope it's right.. that she could be out in Cha Aug 2013 #204
I'm sure she will. freshwest Aug 2013 #222
Spot on! liberal N proud Aug 2013 #27
For some rationalization is the key to happiness. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #29
We are not at war ArcticFox Aug 2013 #221
How does an leftynyc Aug 2013 #271
really? ArcticFox Aug 2013 #303
Yeah, well... 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #32
He was not even charged with being a traitor. former9thward Aug 2013 #37
Liar! (Both you and your sources) - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #41
What? No People's View link today? neverforget Aug 2013 #45
Sure is michigandem58 Aug 2013 #52
the site he links to appears to be a poor man's People's View Enrique Aug 2013 #61
But I'm told the People's View author despises Obama michigandem58 Aug 2013 #69
It is a troll site, trolls often take both sides of an issue Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #81
if his goal is making Obama supporters look like assholes Enrique Aug 2013 #89
Interesting analysis! michigandem58 Aug 2013 #112
Hit and run flame bait troll. morningfog Aug 2013 #139
That's the worst kind davidpdx Aug 2013 #170
me? neverforget Aug 2013 #185
No, the OP. morningfog Aug 2013 #186
No problem. I didn't think so but you never know nowadays neverforget Aug 2013 #188
Since Nuremberg (at least).... dtom67 Aug 2013 #46
+1 SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #156
So is Dick Cheney, but we don't see him being sentenced to rot in prison for 35 years. Th1onein Aug 2013 #49
Please provide evidence of legal treason or STFU n/t arcane1 Aug 2013 #50
Given your laser-like focus on the law michigandem58 Aug 2013 #57
I expected that non-reply. arcane1 Aug 2013 #87
like it or not, I don't give a rat's buttocks about your opposition to transparancy.... mike_c Aug 2013 #54
Like it or not, your continued presence on DU burnodo Aug 2013 #55
Says the guy.... Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #121
Holy cow. ucrdem Aug 2013 #126
I know. I just about died when I saw that post. 9 hidden posts in 4 little months Number23 Aug 2013 #211
Bizarre, no? Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #226
Make that 24. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #273
Yeah, and Mi Lai wasn't shit Link Speed Aug 2013 #56
A traitor to you and your authoritarian surveillance government perhaps. dkf Aug 2013 #58
Bullshit. 99Forever Aug 2013 #59
Treason is morally neutral. Its morality is determined entirely by who's being betrayed. dairydog91 Aug 2013 #60
A teabagger would believe that, yes RetroLounge Aug 2013 #63
Our elected representatives are traitors. Almost all of them. mick063 Aug 2013 #64
+100000 forestpath Aug 2013 #177
I'm reccing because that article has new information. But I don't think he's a traitor or hero. freshwest Aug 2013 #66
+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #70
Some good writers on that blog. I know that you are more knowledgeable on this national freshwest Aug 2013 #200
A well thought-out, level headed statement. Refreshing to see. lumpy Aug 2013 #151
Thanks for the comment. See you around. freshwest Aug 2013 #203
Good post, fresh. Cha Aug 2013 #232
One could guess by reading some of the responses how many have loved ones, 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #68
+1 MH1 Aug 2013 #116
And you would be wrong. blackspade Aug 2013 #138
She was neither charged with, nor convicted of "treason." truebluegreen Aug 2013 #142
I did, and I'm glad she decided to expose this shit. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #144
I wore a uniform for six years at the height of the cold war. mick063 Aug 2013 #158
Never been in combat have you where rules no longer apply. 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #180
For me, it is about defending the Constitution mick063 Aug 2013 #207
thank you on every level ArcticFox Aug 2013 #225
The oath you take in the military is not to defend the USA. zeemike Aug 2013 #164
Did you read what you wrote??????????? LOL! 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #181
Well I did not write the oath. zeemike Aug 2013 #248
My military service was just as important as yours, and I think you couldn't be more wrong. 20score Aug 2013 #175
Wow, really, and you also couldn't be more wrong but carry on. 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #201
So to you, it's patriotic to cover up for war crimes? Who is the "traitor"? The one who commits the myrna minx Aug 2013 #199
My moral code? My code was always to protect my men to the bitter end. 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #209
Hey, I believe in the Geneva Convention. I believe in convicting war criminals and liars who myrna minx Aug 2013 #212
Really when I see GWB, Cheney and the rest of them on trial then I will believe you. 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #215
Support my country, right or wrong ArcticFox Aug 2013 #223
As I have said, I don't undertand the military mind. There is an oath they take that is significant. freshwest Aug 2013 #233
Soldiers don't usually get to pick their wars or their battles. If anything leaks out that 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #237
Well. this is what I wrote the last time there was a major mess about soldiers on a DU thread: freshwest Aug 2013 #240
I also replied on that thread and here is what I said then.... 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #241
Yeah because the chain of command has proven sooo competent in uncovering war crimes. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #259
The Royalists and Tories called the Colonial insurgents "Traitors" too. bvar22 Aug 2013 #72
Right on! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #246
Like it or not, he exposed war crimes. Matariki Aug 2013 #76
Did he attempt to expose these war crimes before releasing the cables? Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #82
I don't believe his cables threatened anyone burnodo Aug 2013 #91
Like it or not, Manning is not a traitor... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #78
Should people with overdue library books get a death sentence? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #79
The White House didn't leftynyc Aug 2013 #272
"And they would never answer that question." MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #277
Big deal leftynyc Aug 2013 #296
That's just fucking wrong. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #80
Agreed! NaturalHigh Aug 2013 #83
"he never seemed to fit in" Babel_17 Aug 2013 #84
Bradley Manning is a traitor in the same way that you are a progressive. The Link Aug 2013 #85
+100 truebluegreen Aug 2013 #147
Sieg heil... TheProgressive Aug 2013 #88
Folks who oppose authoritarianism often "struggle" in such a society - TBF Aug 2013 #90
No, he isnt a traitor. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #96
I don't agree. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #97
So let me get this straight. Initech Aug 2013 #99
He was a traitor for breaking faith with the regime that trusted him. Orsino Aug 2013 #289
Thank God it passed! Cerridwen Aug 2013 #105
heh. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #162
Agreed customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #106
Thank you. shenmue Aug 2013 #108
I see backwards thinking shows up even here now and then damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #113
no, rightwingnuts don't have a monopoly on much stupidicus Aug 2013 #130
Treason is bit rough railsback Aug 2013 #119
Chelsea will be remembered for her bravery. Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #122
Like it or Not, that is just your opinion blackspade Aug 2013 #123
An "opinion" that tells us a lot about the OP himself .. bvar22 Aug 2013 #290
gosh H2O Man Aug 2013 #124
The trans and homophobia is out of line Politicub Aug 2013 #127
Oh look, troll trolling. morningfog Aug 2013 #137
like it or not, many on this board find your posts tedious and BORING beyond belief. some, on the niyad Aug 2013 #140
What I want to know is GP6971 Aug 2013 #146
Second time: It is C-H-E-L-S-E-A Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #152
No she's not. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #154
When you enlist in the armed services of the US, an officer reads you the Articles of War OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #155
You are correct, of course Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #165
Well put davidpdx Aug 2013 #174
I don't think she's a traitor pauliedangerously Aug 2013 #159
i don't like you, and Manning wasn't charged with treason. try and keep up, mkay? frylock Aug 2013 #160
too bad for you LittleGirl Aug 2013 #161
I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy . . . caseymoz Aug 2013 #163
+1 Celefin Aug 2013 #257
Manning is a traitor OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #167
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #169
+1 million! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #178
I'd leave it. There's a cruelty to these OPs... WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #191
Like it or not, Chelsea is a patriot who took a bullet for the rest of us. nt William769 Aug 2013 #172
+100000000000000000000000 Little Star Aug 2013 #255
No, he really isn't a traitor MNBrewer Aug 2013 #173
You and your fellow travelers should be ashamed for both your bigotry and right wing BS. myrna minx Aug 2013 #176
. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #179
Hot dang, myrna minx! tblue Aug 2013 #183
Thanks! Great job! Wish I had thought of adding other... travelers/@$R$^&^$% to my post. 20score Aug 2013 #190
I'm assuming that the fellow travelers of this OP have watched the "classified" video myrna minx Aug 2013 #195
alert results MisterP Aug 2013 #218
Thanks for posting the results and thanks to the jury. myrna minx Aug 2013 #252
Oh look - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #224
The TRUTH will set us free!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #286
Like Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #293
Your support for LGBTQ rights is so great, you can't even tell the difference between been gay and idwiyo Aug 2013 #193
+1 Little Star Aug 2013 #254
Wrong again. Factually, morally, constitutionally, legally, spiritually. Incorrect. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #196
It's shameful, as is the number of DUers reccing this utter shite. HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #208
It serves a purpose. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #247
Awesome. Another Crap Blog for DU to chew up and spit out. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #202
Dear author, you are an idiot, one useful to war criminals. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #205
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #206
you are a fool ArcticFox Aug 2013 #214
No she's not a traitor. NealK Aug 2013 #235
What is the difference between Manning and this guy > Why Syzygy Aug 2013 #236
I have the ability to think she is not a hero... NCTraveler Aug 2013 #242
Thanks for your nuanced post Celefin Aug 2013 #260
No, she is a criminal, but not a traitor CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #244
That's what they said on television, too. Octafish Aug 2013 #251
I could respect your opinion that he is a traitor BUT! Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #256
His Defense 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #267
What's the deal with all those fake "progressive" and "liberal" blogs you keep peddling? Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #258
Nope, not treasonous. malthaussen Aug 2013 #265
The "support the troops!" trump card is lame at this point. Dash87 Aug 2013 #266
War criminals go free, those who expose them get jailed. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #268
How you only have 1 hidden post is beyond me Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #274
She will always be a patriot and hero. History will show it. You think only bad people are in jail? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #275
So are Bush and Cheney. What's your point? KansDem Aug 2013 #276
This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Aug 2013 #280
Manning was not even charged with treason, much less convicted of treason, so this is false. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #284
*Chelsea* Manning was acquitted of aiding the enemy. KamaAina Aug 2013 #285
I guess it is a blessing in disguise that... bvar22 Aug 2013 #292
More homophobic/transphobic garbage...are those the only sites you work for? joeybee12 Aug 2013 #297
You're not alone. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #302
Like it or Not, I have to accept that you can post here. Rex Aug 2013 #305
I know - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #308
Sorry Jake2413 Aug 2013 #306
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