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Bake

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39. One can believe in a Creator without believing the Earth is 6,000 years old.

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:53 PM

Aug 2013

In fact, one can believe in the Bible without ascribing it the traits of a history book or a science text.

But that's too complicated for some people.

Properly understood, there is no conflict whatsoever between science and faith, and it is not necessary to disparage entire groups of people as the OP did.

Meanwhile, I'm just wondering what triggered the Big Bang ... or other things that faith can address, like why are we here?

Cheers,

Bake

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If you are a creationist, you are a fucking idiot [View all] RainDog Aug 2013 OP

I'll have Blue Cheese dressing with COLGATE4 Aug 2013 #1

Seriously! LisaLynne Aug 2013 #25

Thanks .....I thought I had sudden onset dementia halfway through that slop. RagAss Aug 2013 #32

It may induce it! Be careful! LisaLynne Aug 2013 #35

... RagAss Aug 2013 #38

LOL exactly RainDog Aug 2013 #49

That's five minutes of our lives COLGATE4 Aug 2013 #64

Did those quotes come from Graham4Amercia? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #2

lol dionysus Aug 2013 #77

religious folks are running out of old myths to upaloopa Aug 2013 #3

+1 sarcasmo Aug 2013 #93

That level of STOOPID should be immediately and excruciatingly painful. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #4

It is ... but to the wrong people REP Aug 2013 #105

Rec for the title alone mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #5

We have a well developed system of morality RainDog Aug 2013 #17

Yes. Religion perverts the natural state of man. RagAss Aug 2013 #33

humans, I take it you mean by that? RainDog Aug 2013 #43

Bingo Scootaloo Aug 2013 #52

I agree. ladyVet Aug 2013 #67

I think you could argue that religion is part of our "natural state." Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #78

Yes. We have always tried to explain our world RainDog Aug 2013 #112

There is a major difference between spirituality and religion. RagAss Aug 2013 #126

Yes. Our evolutionary history includes many millenia spent in small groups. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #79

Dunbar's Number RainDog Aug 2013 #114

What an odd thing to say. surrealAmerican Aug 2013 #6

LOL RainDog Aug 2013 #7

While I agree, LWolf Aug 2013 #8

This is a statement that reflects reality RainDog Aug 2013 #13

Did I say anything at all about creationism? LWolf Aug 2013 #20

actually, no RainDog Aug 2013 #21

It serves those in power LWolf Aug 2013 #27

oh, I totally can believe what you say about teaching RainDog Aug 2013 #30

That sounds like an interesting article. LWolf Aug 2013 #42

Yeah, it was a great article RainDog Aug 2013 #44

That's a great video; I've loved it for years. LWolf Aug 2013 #45

Will Grayson, Will Grayson? RainDog Aug 2013 #48

One can believe in a Creator without believing the Earth is 6,000 years old. Bake Aug 2013 #39

that's not the same thing as creationism RainDog Aug 2013 #46

you think creationists should not be vilified? RainDog Aug 2013 #50

Sure, I think anyone who believes, in the face of scientific evidence to the contrary, Bake Aug 2013 #92

thank you for suggesting self censorship RainDog Aug 2013 #95

Oh, I'm not suggesting self-censorship at all Bake Aug 2013 #97

LOL RainDog Aug 2013 #98

I don't think I referred to anyone ANYWHERE as a "fucking (anything)." Bake Aug 2013 #104

you do not understand what I wrote RainDog Aug 2013 #111

and in reply to your questions RainDog Aug 2013 #58

If your argument is that the Bible is a collection of Bronze Age stories, that's fine. Marr Aug 2013 #66

A couple of questions. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #68

and, fwiw RainDog Aug 2013 #24

and, fwiw, the person who alerted on this tried to get me banned from DU RainDog Aug 2013 #34

and, fwiw... lol RainDog Aug 2013 #53

I've got a good idea who may have been the alerted too! cleanhippie Aug 2013 #69

DU rec... SidDithers Aug 2013 #9

What? No Crocoduck argument? longship Aug 2013 #10

LOL RainDog Aug 2013 #14

See my edit. longship Aug 2013 #22

Amen Ohio Joe Aug 2013 #11

preach it, brother RainDog Aug 2013 #23

I would go so far as to say that God gave people brains/minds because he/she expects us to USE THEM. Bake Aug 2013 #40

And if you are George Bush's prostitute Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #12

LOL Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #16

Debate Krauss. Debate Dawkins. Debate Dennett, or Harris, or any other prominent "new atheists" RadiationTherapy Aug 2013 #15

Funny how Stupid is a prerequisite for religious NightWatcher Aug 2013 #18

I like to0 think I am somewhat intelligent. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #26

You're not sorry, and if that's supposed to be an apology, it's a totally "Republican" apology Bake Aug 2013 #41

Yeah, he shouldn't have offered that apology at all. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #70

Soe people just like to be insulting "in the name of truth." Bake Aug 2013 #90

Sometimes you can't tell the truth without insulting somebody. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #108

Yes etherealtruth Aug 2013 #19

Not too many creationists at DU, I'd guess struggle4progress Aug 2013 #28

You'd guess right wryter2000 Aug 2013 #101

Creationists may be fucking idiots 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #109

I'm surrounded by this in Texas - TBF Aug 2013 #29

Fundamentalism in Texas is harmful to the entire nation RainDog Aug 2013 #55

Agreed - TBF Aug 2013 #61

Why do you have to be a fucking idiot to be a cartoon.....oops, never mind tularetom Aug 2013 #31

Teaching creationism is a form of child abuse RainDog Aug 2013 #36

The purpose of education is to overcome ignorance RainDog Aug 2013 #37

WTF? Major word salad. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #47

Even if there was a god, there still wouldn't be an "absolute moral truth." nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #51

the reality is fucking idiots don't care RainDog Aug 2013 #54

So essentially, the guy is arguing against using rational thought for, basically, anything. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #56

watch it RainDog Aug 2013 #60

not to mention, bashing "fucking idiots". Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #89

Funny he brought up Hitler exboyfil Aug 2013 #57

He probably knows more Ricky Hitlers than scientists do RainDog Aug 2013 #59

hmm.. okay, but do you think I"m a fucking idiot for believing in a God? 1awake Aug 2013 #62

This post is about creationism RainDog Aug 2013 #63

Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree with pretty much everything you said. 1awake Aug 2013 #72

It would likely depend on what attributes you have assigned your god. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #71

Well of course they do... wouldn't be much of a God if they didn't. ;) n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #73

Then you may have answered your own question. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #82

maybe lol. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #88

I'm an atheist, but I actually have to disagree with your title. Marr Aug 2013 #65

I don't think that it has to do with being taugh narratives at an early age but rather grantcart Aug 2013 #74

It's called cognitive dissonance Adrahil Aug 2013 #83

My definition of an idiot is someone who either can't or won't think. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #107

I scream (inside my head) at my coworkers almost daily telclaven Aug 2013 #75

Odd...... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #80

It's very odd telclaven Aug 2013 #81

There is no absolute moral truth. Deal with it. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #76

Yep. Unless you are a child, there is no getting around that one. Arugula Latte Aug 2013 #84

Yet we must not denigrate people's deeply held beliefs or risk being labeled a bigot. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #85

That's true. We can point out that the beliefs of Republicans are ridiculous and harmful Arugula Latte Aug 2013 #86

So true. What I find most amazing is that the Republican POV is grounded closer to reality cleanhippie Aug 2013 #87

How dare you bash fucking idiots! Iggo Aug 2013 #91

True! They should be respected for what they are! defacto7 Aug 2013 #102

What a load OnionPatch Aug 2013 #94

I recommended this thread for the title. Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #96

thanks! RainDog Aug 2013 #113

I always love your gentle way with words... OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #99

love you, too RainDog Aug 2013 #100

It reminds me of a skit by Steve Martin defacto7 Aug 2013 #103

Not only is this guy an idiot but a huge hypocrite at that. Initech Aug 2013 #106

Remember the earliest stories in the Bible date from 3500 years ago. ... spin Aug 2013 #110

So basically Obama is a fucking Idiot The Straight Story Aug 2013 #115

Obama is a politician RainDog Aug 2013 #116

Ok, I will re-phrase: Politicians are fucking idiots The Straight Story Aug 2013 #117

Say what you'd like RainDog Aug 2013 #119

On that we agree :) It is shameful too that we let them pander The Straight Story Aug 2013 #120

the title of this OP is within the context of the quotes in the OP RainDog Aug 2013 #122

A well thought out post The Straight Story Aug 2013 #123

Your comparisons don't work RainDog Aug 2013 #124

Even Bush said he knew evolution was true once he was out of office RainDog Aug 2013 #118

Fuck yes! Religion is bullshit. knr nt livingwagenow Aug 2013 #121

K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #125