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5. This may be a problem best approached peripherally
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:17 PM
Feb 2012

If he's determined to be right regardless of what you say or what facts you present, there's little likelihood of presenting a successful direct counterargument. In my experience. It may be better to approach this indirectly. While he's all exercised about taxing and spending, you might mention that that is preferable to borrowing and spending, since the government is going to spend money and has to pay for stuff somehow. Better to have the cash on hand to cover expenses than go into debt, no?

Also, what kind of bang does he get for his tax buck? He gets nice, paved streets to drive on. A responsive fire department should his house or apartment catch on fire. Safe food at restaurants because Health Inspectors are on the job, monitoring food preparation practices and closing non-compliant ptomaine purveyors. If he had to pay for these things (and more) out of his own pocket, he wouldn't have a wallet to tap about how horrible it is to pay for the society he lives in. In reality, he's getting a pretty damned good deal. Unless he's irretrievably immature about benefits and their costs (e.g., "I want everything, and I want it for free! Now!&quot , you can bring these examples to his attention little by little over time.

i need help. [View all] barbtries Feb 2012 OP
"the government is exploding under Obama" A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2012 #1
i should have explained better. barbtries Feb 2012 #11
Actually, Obama has less federal employees than Reagan. sinkingfeeling Feb 2012 #2
ah, yes! barbtries Feb 2012 #12
For the "government exploding", this should help hughee99 Feb 2012 #3
this is perfect barbtries Feb 2012 #24
Ultimately, do this for yourself. renie408 Feb 2012 #4
My wife is your farrier ????? russspeakeasy Feb 2012 #7
Only if your wife is a 45 year old guy. renie408 Feb 2012 #13
Nope. She's a she, but developed a repub brain about 20 years ago. russspeakeasy Feb 2012 #20
I feel for you and will send you prayers and good thoughts. renie408 Feb 2012 #23
you're right of course. barbtries Feb 2012 #25
I work with a few guys that make statements like that. It doesn't matter what you say or Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #40
This may be a problem best approached peripherally gratuitous Feb 2012 #5
i do that barbtries Feb 2012 #26
Do you honestly think if you had proof to show him he would believe you. I doubt it. You know southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #6
Good advice. It's saved more than one friendship for moi. (eom) Owlet Feb 2012 #16
Yes, especially if they are relatives. LOL southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #43
that's what i do with my brother. barbtries Feb 2012 #29
Good luck to you. I wish I had better ways to get you information. Sometimes silence is golden southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #42
time will tell. barbtries Feb 2012 #44
Your right. But if it doesn't just tell your friend for the sake of your friendship you don't southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #45
quote Ike StarsInHerHair Feb 2012 #47
Ask if he was better off libtodeath Feb 2012 #8
Completely Misguided TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #9
thank you. barbtries Feb 2012 #32
The Racist Is Disguised In Code TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #46
It's his claim, it's up to him to prove it. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #10
thank you barbtries Feb 2012 #15
Concerning his second claim: "The government is exploding under Obama." The Genealogist Feb 2012 #14
he's never done that to me barbtries Feb 2012 #34
Disable the AM band on his car radio Chipper Chat Feb 2012 #17
right? barbtries Feb 2012 #35
The nuggets of truth buried in that pile of elephant dung... JHB Feb 2012 #18
good advice and excellent points you make there. barbtries Feb 2012 #36
Both parties are "something and spend" JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #19
me too. barbtries Feb 2012 #38
facts are a funny thing... anti-Democrats can't understand... handmade34 Feb 2012 #21
totally what i was looking for. barbtries Feb 2012 #33
interesting article about what a GOP election would mean- Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #22
there it is. barbtries Feb 2012 #28
One small piece. I knew DUers would help. elleng Feb 2012 #27
DUers are the best barbtries Feb 2012 #30
You're welcome. elleng Feb 2012 #31
you know, he's a good person. barbtries Feb 2012 #37
Right, barb. 'FUNNY' image! elleng Feb 2012 #41
tell him we should be spending more Enrique Feb 2012 #39
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