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truedelphi

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10. Our government and military's use of depleted uranium is a
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:20 PM
Aug 2013

Travesty. Although I mourn the loss of life in Japan, we were in a total war scenario, and we had been attacked first.

There was no excuse for Nagasaki, but until we bombed the Japanese at Hiroshima, most of our military analysts believed we were in serious trouble. We would be sending a half million of our service people into battle, going up against people of Japan and that there might be casualties as high as 100,000 killed, and another 100,000 seriously wounded.

But in Spring of 2003, we had no real reason to attack the people of Iraq. They now have sky high rates of birth defects and cancer, because of the depleted uranium that has been used there. Babies are born that look more like hamburger meat than infants. Some are born without eyes; some are born already suffering from blastomas and other deadly cancers.

Although depleted uranium is a rather benign material, if it is hardened and put to use in shielding tanks or jeeps, or being part of the shells for missiles, once the material experiences combustion, as it does upon explosion, it becomes vaporized and highly risky. Entire neighborhoods have been drenched with the stuff. And I and others believe this was done as part of a deliberate genocidal effort.

It was also allowed by "Western Civilization" against the people of Serbia, in our NATO war against them. And also against the people of Afghanistan.

There are two major repercussions for the USA itself - the male servicemen who have experienced a release of radiation from pulverized DU material release it through exchange of bodily fluid into their spouses, and there is the possibility of berth defects from that. The female service people have it directly inside them - so they are more likely to have infants with serious birth defects. There is also a much higher risk of cancer for service people who have absorbed the DU. And these women are of course also at a much higher risk of cancer.

Secondly, the fact of the matter is, as geo-physicist Leuren Moret has explained - any radiation release to any neighborhood on earth ends up fairly evenly distributed into the atmosphere, except for the small portion that is directly absorbed. So when a shell shielded with DU exploded in Bagdad, the radiation material that went int the soil is in the soil, there in Iraq. But the parts of the DU material that ended up, like much of the shell casing, exploding and being pulverized - much of that went into the atmosphere. There is debate about whether it is evenly distributed - some scientists now believe that more poisons end up over the poles that the other parts of the globe.

But in any event, we now have an atmosphere above us that contains five times the amount of radiation that was above human kind on Dec 31st, 1945. And that radiation does fall back to earth. very rare cancers are being experienced by infants and youngsters in the USA. As to be expected, more of these cancers are found among new immigrants from the Serbia and Croatian areas, and from the Middle East. And among our service people. But some of these cancers exist in children whose parents had nothing to do with the war, other than perhaps pay their taxes. The earth's atmosphere, and what we allow our corporations and governments to put up into it, is a great equalizer!

Only a terrorist would think it justified usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #1
+1 RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #3
replace terrorist with 'radical' pasto76 Aug 2013 #27
"tactical nuclear weapon systems" white_wolf Aug 2013 #57
Come on! Dubya's heart was in the right place... damyank913 Aug 2013 #97
Never. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #2
Never. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #4
Excellent post. Yup, they are all just lame excuses quinnox Aug 2013 #5
Only if we're overrun by zombies. rug Aug 2013 #6
If we see them coming, and screaming "We want Brains" (via Telescope)..I'll push the damn button. BlueJazz Aug 2013 #23
Hell, I'll find everyone named Otis and throw them at them. rug Aug 2013 #24
Don't let a few bad apples put us all in a bad light. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #60
I get that, it is a form of extreme friendliness. Dragonfli Aug 2013 #67
OK..OK...it's..it's not the brain-eating and stuff...I mean, I'm having a problem here. It's hard... BlueJazz Aug 2013 #71
Boundaries quakerboy Aug 2013 #79
Never leftstreet Aug 2013 #7
Anytime it's profitable, of course. PETRUS Aug 2013 #8
I was going to ask, "Can you make money off it?" nt OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #51
None. eom TransitJohn Aug 2013 #9
Our government and military's use of depleted uranium is a truedelphi Aug 2013 #10
No. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #17
I am aware of the things you are bringing up. truedelphi Aug 2013 #70
No, again. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #81
I was not at all mocking any such world. truedelphi Aug 2013 #98
Under no circumstance malaise Aug 2013 #11
You don't have to use nukes to kill a great many civilians. Fumesucker Aug 2013 #12
No shaayecanaan Aug 2013 #40
Great post. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #13
It is never justifiable to use sarisataka Aug 2013 #14
Justification is determined by ... oldhippie Aug 2013 #15
I think this is wankerism. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #16
So there was a grace period? shaayecanaan Aug 2013 #42
Entitled is your word lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #53
You could say the same about my murdering Fred... shaayecanaan Aug 2013 #68
Think how many could be saved if we murdered all the Freds in two cities! You're onta sumpin! Dragonfli Aug 2013 #76
Carl has turned . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #91
"The matter of time" before Fred was going to sideswipe the school bus was "immediately". lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #77
I keep getting posts hidden for pointing out that the lack of empathy required Dragonfli Aug 2013 #18
DU is overrun by RWers pretending to be Democrats. Sort of like the kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #20
For what it's worth, I've always liked you. BlueJazz Aug 2013 #25
Thanks! you liking me is more important than dozens that appear to hate me Dragonfli Aug 2013 #28
thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #26
I like your posts. They reveal principles and integrity Dragonfli Aug 2013 #33
Don't give up Hydra Aug 2013 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #49
A shame snort Aug 2013 #37
Which option should Truman have taken? jeff47 Aug 2013 #43
Well I suppose we could kill all civilians, that would be in line with the theory that atrocities Dragonfli Aug 2013 #63
It's a lovely post. Unfortunately, it also completely ignores what your choices mean. jeff47 Aug 2013 #69
Oh, I get it! YOU are a five star general expertly versed in WWII strategy Dragonfli Aug 2013 #73
Again, you are pretending that there were options which were not actually present. jeff47 Aug 2013 #86
for the record, I DO NOT keep saying "the US should have killed millions of civilians Dragonfli Aug 2013 #93
You're just as lacking empathy with the Americans who would have/were killed treestar Aug 2013 #88
The Japanese and Germans agreed with you, they felt winning by any means necessary (even atrocities) Dragonfli Aug 2013 #89
Now you're just being unreasonable treestar Aug 2013 #92
You must kill children to save children? Dragonfli Aug 2013 #94
Never. nt. polly7 Aug 2013 #19
Never. 99Forever Aug 2013 #21
Never again. In WWII the first country to have achieved the technology PufPuf23 Aug 2013 #22
In WWII the first country to have achieved the technology snort Aug 2013 #38
Correct answer. joshcryer Aug 2013 #44
Never... Tien1985 Aug 2013 #29
Never, ever, ever... japple Aug 2013 #30
If you imagine that your daddy could have been hurt Blecht Aug 2013 #31
Never. bravenak Aug 2013 #32
If an invasion would kill more civilians Recursion Aug 2013 #34
I'm way ahead of you. snort Aug 2013 #35
Never never ever! tblue Aug 2013 #39
Excellent post Marrah_G Aug 2013 #41
As horrible as nuclear weapons are . . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #45
A story my dad told me: mick063 Aug 2013 #46
When it kills fewer civilians than the other options. jeff47 Aug 2013 #47
But where there Military targets there? Savannahmann Aug 2013 #48
when heaven05 Aug 2013 #50
Only one possibly justifiable use Pab Sungenis Aug 2013 #52
It would mean a war crimes prosecution for anyone who ordered the attack. another_liberal Aug 2013 #54
Lol, wow... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #55
I would say... bobclark86 Aug 2013 #56
Only at the end of WW2 before any history of nuclear confrontation existed... Deep13 Aug 2013 #58
I can't justify it. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #59
If in possession of a time machine Nevernose Aug 2013 #61
You're right, and by your logic... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #66
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #80
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #84
I hate war, and I love this OP. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #62
conventional bombing raids often killed more in an evening markiv Aug 2013 #64
If they have stuff we want and they won't let us have it for less than nothing n/t dogknob Aug 2013 #65
I can't think of any HappyMe Aug 2013 #72
the difference between a WWII soldier and a civilian markiv Aug 2013 #74
It is easy to find the amswer to that now. Not so much in 1945. prefunk Aug 2013 #75
Why? AmyStrange Aug 2013 #78
never. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #82
Hold on, let me ask the NSA. How about it guys? nt bluedeathray Aug 2013 #83
"Gee, I wish we had one of them doomsday machines." kentauros Aug 2013 #85
Never. LWolf Aug 2013 #87
Under what circumstances is it justifiable to use a drone against civilians? hobbit709 Aug 2013 #90
Your mind is already made up. Bake Aug 2013 #95
What constitutes a Civilian vs other target? One_Life_To_Give Aug 2013 #96
Do you think that it is legitimate to bomb Wall Street? shaayecanaan Aug 2013 #99
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