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yourmovemonkey

(266 posts)
106. I was just in Moscow last week
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:05 PM
Aug 2013

I was just in Moscow last week, and it's a beautiful modern city. The people I met were very kind and patient (Russian is hard!). It's not some bleak, black-and-white landscape. Russia has problems. We have problems. They have Putin. We had Bush.

Much like here, the Russian people seem to run the gamut of philosophical and political beliefs. They are all quite aware of their history, but they have as much a right to proud of their heritage as we do of ours (good and bad). It's only been 20 years, and we are only now seeing the first post-Soviet generation.

I've been lurking here for years, and only just signed up. Some of the comments here really bothered me though with their broad-brush depictions of Russia and the people. Every country has its assholes, but good people keep trying to make things better everywhere.

Good way to put it. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #1
Do you remember the KGB? Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #24
"Guaranteed not as bad as the Soviet Union" is not a standard anyone should be proud of. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #54
That pic does not look like the KGB. zappaman Aug 2013 #59
Yes Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #158
Of course I do. And that's not the point of the OP. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #90
I know Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #159
Another 'whoosh' moment brought to you by the U.S. propaganda machine. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #101
Similar to the CIA, yup... Nt GlashFordan Aug 2013 #108
maybe Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #160
Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #2
false comparison DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #3
Are you ever going to get tired of the "we're not as bad as Russia!" defense? NuclearDem Aug 2013 #12
No, we're different from Russia. We're almost the same. ProSense Aug 2013 #16
Oh, you. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #19
"Russia is hardly a standard to which we should hold ourselves." I know, ProSense Aug 2013 #26
Yes, it is bad. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #31
What bullshit. LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #34
Oh, is it? NuclearDem Aug 2013 #35
Go ahead. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #68
Are we different or almost the same? leveymg Aug 2013 #66
Snark. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #69
Do you have a history of criticizing Russia or is this something new. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #82
I don't need a "history" to criticize Russia. ProSense Aug 2013 #88
Thanks for answering. You seem skeptical of my assessment of the human rights records of sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #162
As an FDR Democrat, I whole heartedly support you, ProSense. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #145
In the old days they were sent to Siberia Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #29
It remains to be seen how tough it will be since he is being inundated with job offers. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #136
And poor Stalin was just misunderstood? Riftaxe Aug 2013 #4
Stalin's still alive? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #9
Yes, and Hitler still rules Germany, I guess? deurbano Aug 2013 #18
He died in the 20th century Riftaxe Aug 2013 #20
Your straw man, you swing at it. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #56
60 years ago to be precise. MattSh Aug 2013 #163
I believe Stalin was Georgian. reusrename Aug 2013 #33
And his name wasn't Stalin GlashFordan Aug 2013 #109
Stalin preferred Russian over Georgian culture RZM Aug 2013 #125
I'm talking about now, not 60 years ago. duh. cali Aug 2013 #147
Why didn't you know, the U.S. is the source of all goodness and justice in the world! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #5
Or Jose Padillo... Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #14
I'm sure what he'd tell you if you asked: Hydra Aug 2013 #32
Hahahha, very true..! Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #50
2+2=5! n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #80
It's PADILLA, not Padillo. nt MADem Aug 2013 #85
Sure, but his name sounds brown, so who really gives a fuck? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #102
lol, yep quinnox Aug 2013 #104
I love how all of a sudden the Snowden haters became very concerned over the plight of gays in quinnox Aug 2013 #6
Few of those countries are developed countries. KamaAina Aug 2013 #25
I am not a Snowden hater awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #42
Fine, then my post doesn't apply to you quinnox Aug 2013 #44
Just wanted to make it clear... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #47
understood. There are definitely those who are consistent in their principles quinnox Aug 2013 #53
I think you're on to something there quinnox. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #112
I agree, it was odd how this quinnox Aug 2013 #116
Amazing how that works. When it was Lt. Dan Choi handcuffing himself to the White House fence... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #122
good point nt. quinnox Aug 2013 #129
its a false front SwampG8r Aug 2013 #142
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #7
It would appear so. Number23 Aug 2013 #40
+1 AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #84
There is no floor, here. None at all. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #167
This place generally gets hypersimplistic when one country or another is criticised Posteritatis Aug 2013 #43
Yes, they are SO VERY eeville and bad, in fact, that anyone who gets stuck there kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #8
America >>>>>>>> Russia sagat Aug 2013 #10
Peanut fixes master's primed terrier mare. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #103
I guess that depends on the metrics used to come to that conclusion, doesn't it? cali Aug 2013 #148
Yeah someone actually called them the Puglover Aug 2013 #11
And here I was thinking the Cold War was over NuclearDem Aug 2013 #13
I asked them if they were June Cleaver posting under another name. nt Puglover Aug 2013 #15
June was cooler than that! deurbano Aug 2013 #21
She was just a doll! Puglover Aug 2013 #28
Overall the US doesn't suck when things are put in perspective. great white snark Aug 2013 #17
I've never made any account of Americans fleeing to Russia, honey. cali Aug 2013 #150
We are a much better country treestar Aug 2013 #22
"We have a bill of rights and a constitution that is followed".... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #49
Can you BELIEVE it????? bvar22 Aug 2013 #62
That whole Civil War hoax, never happened. reusrename Aug 2013 #74
I LOVE the Puglover Aug 2013 #76
That's me. "Madame Obamahater" as I've been called cali Aug 2013 #151
It is treestar Aug 2013 #71
The criminal cabal that rules modern Russia is not homegrown. reusrename Aug 2013 #75
Since you brought up the bill of rights... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #79
Just a question Treestar. I'd be curious to Puglover Aug 2013 #81
I dunno. Igor's Moscow apartment looks pretty decent... SMC22307 Aug 2013 #94
Oh, and I didn't say we are as bad as Russia... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #100
Nor can imagine living in BFF Saudi Arabia. The country where 99% of the 911 killers Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #143
No, we don't kill most of them, we just lock them up for very long periods of time, for what really RC Aug 2013 #91
LOL! Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #105
I KNOW!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #165
Wait, what? a la izquierda Aug 2013 #157
Why not train your fire on the statements that are wrong? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #23
It's about hypocrisy. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #27
His choice is Russia or life in an American prison davidn3600 Aug 2013 #36
His choice was to speak out against the United States and then go over to Russia... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #37
US wouldnt let him go anywhere else! davidn3600 Aug 2013 #45
Yup...and? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #48
He probably will when and if he leaves Russia davidn3600 Aug 2013 #52
Uh huh. I bet he will. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #87
derpy derpy derp bobduca Aug 2013 #92
Pretty much when I hear people defend Snowden for going to Russia... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #140
AMERICA #1 RUSSIA P'TOOIE! spitting noise bobduca Aug 2013 #161
If Snowden returned here, the treatment he would receive would make Manning's treatment seem like RC Aug 2013 #93
Boo-fucking-hoo. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #111
Agreed. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #95
You're kidding, right? MattSh Aug 2013 #137
It doesn't take an expert to know Russia is a fucking corrupt, reactionist nation. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #141
Do you get that he has no guarantee of life in Russia not being in prison treestar Aug 2013 #154
I think until we learn how Snowden came to his decisions of where to snappyturtle Aug 2013 #57
I think it's pretty clear Snowden will accept Russia's flaws rather happily... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #89
what message ? that he fine living in places which are far worse when it comes to JI7 Aug 2013 #128
That's another thing that bothers me about this selfish prick. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #146
yes, he said he didn't want to live in a country that spies on people JI7 Aug 2013 #126
I'm pretty happy to be living in the USA. zappaman Aug 2013 #30
pretty much my feelings on it. loli phabay Aug 2013 #46
At least we don't have an atmosphere... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #38
Deja Vu. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #39
The gipper spoke of "The Evil Empire" with derision, but the ensuing fawningly slavish worship indepat Aug 2013 #41
The Us has not arrested gays. liberal N proud Aug 2013 #51
...except in Baton Rouge. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #55
The federal government? liberal N proud Aug 2013 #73
Denied them their rights right up until a couple months ago. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #77
Discriminated against, but not arrested for. liberal N proud Aug 2013 #153
Except during the decades of anti-sodomy laws. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #58
ignorance usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #78
LOL Puglover Aug 2013 #86
...for weeks now. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #107
To be fair, your post could apply to many countries. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2013 #60
Which IS exactly the POINT of this OP. bvar22 Aug 2013 #64
Always that kind of ridiculous comparison. Nt Sand Wind Aug 2013 #61
We know our shit stinks. MicaelS Aug 2013 #63
Simplistic crap. The kind of crap that keeps sufrommich Aug 2013 #65
Hear hear lumpy Aug 2013 #99
that was kind of the point, my dear. But of course, you haven't said word one about cali Aug 2013 #152
Russia kardonb Aug 2013 #67
Been there,,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #96
Apparently you have not done much travailing. RC Aug 2013 #97
MURIKA! FUCK YEAH! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #120
For fuck sakes... trumad Aug 2013 #70
heh quinnox Aug 2013 #83
There's an old Russian proverb, "No man smells his own" starroute Aug 2013 #72
Oh hell. I just spit beer all over the screen. So true, so true, indeed! eom Purveyor Aug 2013 #113
Russia is a single-party state RZM Aug 2013 #98
I was just in Moscow last week yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #106
Russian Parliament Unanimously Passes Anti-Gay Bill, 434-0 William769 Aug 2013 #114
Thank you for the welcome yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #119
Yes the world is changing very quickly. William769 Aug 2013 #123
So you hate the Russian people. All of them. yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #127
Oy vey. William769 Aug 2013 #130
Where did he say he "hate the Russian people. All of them"? Is it ok to speak out against uppityperson Aug 2013 #132
"That was a Unanimous vote it is the people that put them there." yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #135
"Everyone was very nice to this American and accepted me as an individual." sagat Aug 2013 #124
Yeah, that part was weird yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #133
I've always wanted to see a Siberian tiger in its natural habitat. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #115
welcome to DU! TeamPooka Aug 2013 #117
Thank you yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #121
I've also visited Russia and I couldn't have described it better Rhiannon12866 Aug 2013 #139
I am old enough to remember the bomb drills also yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #144
But they don't have a friggin' Bill of Rights! treestar Aug 2013 #155
As someone who has been to Russia 7 times, yes, we are much better. Much much better. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #110
I think it is a positive that some of the Snowden haters seem to care about gay rights now. The Link Aug 2013 #118
there is a reason why there are Russian Mail Order Brides, but not AMerican mail order brides for JI7 Aug 2013 #131
ok...i think that`s sort`a well known madrchsod Aug 2013 #134
We still got Gitmo cali. Rex Aug 2013 #138
"Heads or Tails" Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #149
clearly Russian has a lot of Abominable things - but I cannot help but think a lot of the hype about Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #156
Russia's pretty shitty, even compared to us. JoeyT Aug 2013 #164
Yup, Russia never invaded anyone without being attacked Progressive dog Aug 2013 #166
As the subject is Russia - she's sure got a great National Anthem. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #168
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