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Marr

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113. Oh, to have the deep Understanding® of the apologist.

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Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:49 PM

Aug 2013

Only you Understand® politics. Only you Understand® surveillance. You Understand® so much.

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Obama: NSA Surveillance Was Necessary To Make Sure Boston Bombings Weren't Part Of Bigger Plot [View all] Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 OP

17+ Intel agencies and they missed the Boston bombers leftstreet Aug 2013 #1

It is a stupid as when they pretend the NYSE Rex Aug 2013 #54

Shit. I guess we need a few more Intelligence agencies. Incitatus Aug 2013 #146

And exactly what tools did they use to check on that? b/c if it's information from... allin99 Aug 2013 #2

"a bombing which no intelligence agency spotted beforehand" - except the FSB Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #3

Strongly, yes very strongly agree avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #5

How do we manage to "miss" so much - with this dragnet surveillence? chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #29

Because these agencies do not communicate well together so information was not shared between them. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #57

Because the Surveillance is to keep Mr and Mrs America and their bratty kids in line Demeter Aug 2013 #69

That too. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #108

They say they've prevented many terrorist plots!... That they ENTRAPPED the suspects! cascadiance Aug 2013 #7

Like the agent in MN who noticed those Saudi flight school students joeybee12 Aug 2013 #83

Exactly. They had all the tools they are so confident in to stop that bombing and they failed. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #94

That is a regular talking point among the elites and fans nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #4

It's also a 'regular talking point' of all LE agencies when they do their jobs legitimately. randome Aug 2013 #101

So the CIA and FBI fail (again), and the NSA gets praised? See a pattern here? leveymg Aug 2013 #6

... Hydra Aug 2013 #8

I found it an insult to my intelligence Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #10

That's exactly what I came to post... AzDar Aug 2013 #62

The NSA does not monitor domestic communications so they can't be at fault for Boston. randome Aug 2013 #9

That's the funniest (and phoniest) comment on this thread. leveymg Aug 2013 #11

Give it time- he's just the first in >:) Hydra Aug 2013 #13

I think the others went out for an office lunch at Chi Chi's. leveymg Aug 2013 #16

I can't figure out if it is simple naivete or mass ignorance Skittles Aug 2013 #151

Wrong and Wrong Hydra Aug 2013 #12

They need a warrant to look at the metadata. randome Aug 2013 #15

So, you would blame the Boston bombing on the FSB? leveymg Aug 2013 #19

CIA, FSB, FBI, whoever, somebody fucked up. randome Aug 2013 #47

Same fuck-up as WTC '93, 9/11. Yes, I would do something differently, and I specified exactly leveymg Aug 2013 #61

The NSA, so far as we know, is not 'monitoring everybody'. randome Aug 2013 #127

*lmao* Hydra Aug 2013 #23

Gathering metadata requires a *subpoena* (of Verizon) ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #38

It is not illegal for the NSA to retain business records. randome Aug 2013 #45

So...if this is all legal and we know they did it regardless Hydra Aug 2013 #53

I don't know. Do you? randome Aug 2013 #128

Holy disidoro01 Aug 2013 #14

So you're saying they DON'T need a warrant to look at domestic suspects? randome Aug 2013 #17

Where? disidoro01 Aug 2013 #20

Right. I want so badly to control you. randome Aug 2013 #22

Nah disidoro01 Aug 2013 #24

I already did. randome Aug 2013 #41

No disidoro01 Aug 2013 #59

I'm not defending or ignoring anything. randome Aug 2013 #99

Look at the underwear bombing guy Aerows Aug 2013 #110

and the Tooth Fairy really does come to your house, right? lastlib Aug 2013 #33

Hard for them to miss, since Russia tried to INFORM US that these guys were suspicious. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #34

Tell them to fly over Sarah's house. She knows what to do when you spot a matthews Aug 2013 #40

I guess that might be better considering what they did: nothing. randome Aug 2013 #129

The "before" and "after" aspect of how meta data can be used really throws some people JoePhilly Aug 2013 #77

Underwear bomber Aerows Aug 2013 #111

No trust is required. Nothing prevents LE from abusing their authority. Not a thing. randome Aug 2013 #137

Craft International was in the Loop Octafish Aug 2013 #18

Octafish, I had not seen that photo before!!! chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #37

It is a strange thing, these private contractors operating on U.S. soil. Octafish Aug 2013 #75

Seriously? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #66

What straws? I didn't take the picture or design the logo. Octafish Aug 2013 #73

What fucking company? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #89

LOL! Didn't know your comprehension skills were my problem. Octafish Aug 2013 #91

BTW*: Here's the Craft International logo. Octafish Aug 2013 #104

You're Hopeless... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #142

I may be hopeless, but that's just a Punisher logo blown up big. Octafish Aug 2013 #144

Woo Woo Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #145

Show where I'm wrong. Otherwise don't libel me. Octafish Aug 2013 #147

I did, but the burdon of proof lays upon YOU... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #149

You didn't prove anything, apart from your ignorance. Octafish Aug 2013 #154

Keep fucking that chicken. NT Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #155

Your word choice reveals more than your breeding. Octafish Aug 2013 #156

Then why didn't your precious NSA GlashFordan Aug 2013 #21

They didn't because they don't intercept and listen to communications pnwmom Aug 2013 #98

You know Aerows Aug 2013 #114

They did take a stab at it. But they didn't find evidence of terrorism. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #115

Oh they found plenty of it Aerows Aug 2013 #117

The underwear bomb plotter who was an informant for the CIA came years AFTER pnwmom Aug 2013 #119

He attempted the bombing in 2009. Aerows Aug 2013 #120

There were two different underwear bombing plots, the first one in 2009. pnwmom Aug 2013 #124

Perfection or nothing? treestar Aug 2013 #122

Could the plot have been foiled using traditional methods of surveillance? The Corrector Aug 2013 #25

Tamerlan was already on the terrorist watch list. See my post above. leveymg Aug 2013 #43

oh horseshit AngryAmish Aug 2013 #26

UGH. He demeans himself with this weasely talk. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #27

Anyone that wants to bomb/attack, can and will. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #28

When a nuke goes off in NYC, we can be secure in the knowledge ... Eddie Haskell Aug 2013 #30

I can't find the "balance" part he keeps talking about in the 4th amendment... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #31

^ ^ ^ THIS! ^ ^ ^ lastlib Aug 2013 #35

^^and that^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #46

It's in the "their" part of the "their effects" ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #50

Oh dear... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #56

Nice try? Rex Aug 2013 #71

You don't own Verizon, Google, or Facebook... ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #72

You really don't get it, do you..? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #74

I am well aware that President Obama is a Constitutional scholar ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #103

Cor blimey..you STILL don't get it... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #133

reality-based = outer space Skittles Aug 2013 #152

Good grief, you are really lacking in knowledge treestar Aug 2013 #125

Their oath, and the document, are relatively simple to understand... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #135

Good grief. You have to read a lot more than just that. treestar Aug 2013 #139

....and a regular person, with just a regular brain should know that.. truebrit71 Aug 2013 #141

the word "unreasonable" treestar Aug 2013 #123

That's what lawyers are paid to do... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #136

How it it determined when a warrant is needed? treestar Aug 2013 #140

Why can't they just get a regular warrant? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #32

That's what they ARE ! ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #42

There is nothing irregular about the warrant that they got. Any judge would pnwmom Aug 2013 #96

Today's excuse is late. It's already after 2:00 p.m. CST nt matthews Aug 2013 #36

This is just a horseshit explanation from an Administration that has gone power hungry. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #39

absolutely Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #44

Who will buy my wonderful bullshit? rusty fender Aug 2013 #48

Well, I am glad they are there. You never know what some family with 5 lbs of jtuck004 Aug 2013 #49

"Ball's Canning Guide" RC Aug 2013 #76

It's even worse that we thought. All those Methodist Churches and State University jtuck004 Aug 2013 #87

The NSA/TSA/FBI/CIA: Keeping us safe by preventing the LAST terrorist attack! markpkessinger Aug 2013 #51

I'm thrilled to know Aerows Aug 2013 #118

Okay that is just silly. Rex Aug 2013 #52

This might just be the dumbest thing he's ever said. bunnies Aug 2013 #55

Appeal To Fear, Fear And More Fear cantbeserious Aug 2013 #58

fuck this shit.. frylock Aug 2013 #60

Sadly, I'm starting to realize who the real idiot is here and it isn't you or me. Going to be Purveyor Aug 2013 #64

Of all that has been said here, I think you've summed it up nicely! snappyturtle Aug 2013 #67

I believe for the most part, he is right Skittles Aug 2013 #153

A rather amazing statement. Autumn Aug 2013 #63

A CYA statement complete with bogeymen. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #65

So someone has proof the NSA didn't get a warrant in tracking the brothers' communications? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #68

Tamarlan was on 3 terrorist lists, but managed to leave the country shortly after the murder of leveymg Aug 2013 #78

I asked a pretty simple question-after the fail that was Boston- isn't that when it's appropriate KittyWampus Aug 2013 #80

The point I'm making is that the counterterror system fails often with CIA double-agents, and leveymg Aug 2013 #82

Well, we both will agree then on the spectacular waste of money involved. And too much information KittyWampus Aug 2013 #84

Counterterrorism and detective work don't make many contractors rich, NSA surveillance systems do leveymg Aug 2013 #88

Obvious phoney bullshit is obvious. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #70

If, as a parent, someone detonated a bomb at your child's bus stop cheapdate Aug 2013 #79

As a parent, I'd like to know BEFORE the bomb went off...or the planes are hijacked... Octafish Aug 2013 #81

The lack of even a modest amount of transparency is a serious problem. n/t cheapdate Aug 2013 #134

Do you disidoro01 Aug 2013 #85

That's simple. Of course I could condemn someone in that instance cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #86

Pretty weak, cthulu2016. cheapdate Aug 2013 #138

Shameless post based on dishonest "article" based on a completely unobjectionable ucrdem Aug 2013 #90

Yes, a stunningly stupid post. They needed to rule out additional plotters pnwmom Aug 2013 #95

Very true. In fact, DUer stevenleser made the connection two months ago right here ucrdem Aug 2013 #105

Well, that's an interesting thought. pnwmom Aug 2013 #109

Yes. Obama has a habit of fixing things the neocons would prefer to leave broken. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #112

Wow that is very interesting. Egnever Aug 2013 #150

Stunning to see this coming from a Democrat. Scare tactics I expect to see only from sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #92

The writer doesn't understand that they are trying to prevent "terrorist events" pnwmom Aug 2013 #93

Oh, to have the deep Understanding® of the apologist. Marr Aug 2013 #113

this doesn't require deep understanding. A freaking first grader could grasp this. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #126

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Aug 2013 #130

Agree. I made a similar point earlier. cheapdate Aug 2013 #132

God his lies are pathetic LittleBlue Aug 2013 #97

Could you be more specific? pnwmom Aug 2013 #100

It's a pathetic, manufactured, laughable excuse LittleBlue Aug 2013 #106

The writer of the article in the OP doesn't understand pnwmom Aug 2013 #107

I can't believe he went there. winter is coming Aug 2013 #102

So the NSA collected all my emails and phone logs in advance Generic Other Aug 2013 #116

So you're saying if they didn't catch it before it happened, there was no need to treestar Aug 2013 #121

Didn't the general public find out who did this after they released the picture Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #131

Disappointing Hula Popper Aug 2013 #143

That is an amazingly terrible excuse AppleBottom Aug 2013 #148

Obviously, we don't need the FBI anymore? kentuck Aug 2013 #157