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Glad that works for you... Pelican Jul 2013 #1
Those that value property over life LWolf Jul 2013 #5
So yes...? Pelican Jul 2013 #14
I don't think grabbing someone, LWolf Jul 2013 #20
That was the point... Pelican Jul 2013 #22
LOL, it is obvious what you are doing. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #41
A clever one Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #134
What if that shove landed them in front of a car... Agschmid Jul 2013 #174
What if Voldemort is real? LWolf Jul 2013 #221
So your talking about greedy corporations that help kill people for profit like the MIC? L0oniX Jul 2013 #16
Which is why the promise of the U.S. LWolf Jul 2013 #18
Exactly. Materialistic capitalism only succeeds if it convinces us our stuff is all that matters NuclearDem Jul 2013 #64
They're only "within their rights" in SYG and other similar states. nt pnwmom Jul 2013 #48
Even in Florida the law would not allow deadly force to defend property treestar Jul 2013 #63
That is your choice... Pelican Jul 2013 #71
What if he attacks you with it? treestar Jul 2013 #74
Again... your choice... Pelican Jul 2013 #79
I do give them the stink eye treestar Jul 2013 #82
I wouldn't even give them the "stink eye", I'd just let the police handle it. tumtum Jul 2013 #87
If you care about a thing than the life of another human being, you've got issues. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #83
You "care about" a plaque more than a life. Doesn't surprise me or probably most of us here, glad yo uppityperson Jul 2013 #97
I said resistance.... Pelican Jul 2013 #116
"My property is never worth more than a person's life." uppityperson Jul 2013 #120
I see through you. Agschmid Jul 2013 #175
Why in the living fuck would anyone steal that? alphafemale Jul 2013 #135
Why would anyone want that? Really? No real monetary value, just sentimental. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #146
Where did he say kill? joeglow3 Jul 2013 #156
"My property is never worth more than a person's life." uppityperson Jul 2013 #157
Go back and re read joeglow3 Jul 2013 #159
If one is going to resort to "violent resistance" to retain their worthless keepsakes notadmblnd Jul 2013 #161
So you support killing people with your car joeglow3 Jul 2013 #165
For the most part cars are not used to violently resist theft of sentimental relics. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #170
I used it as an example because it happened... Pelican Jul 2013 #199
No normal person tries to stop a property theft of any kind by a deliberate bullet to the brain. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #103
I agree with this statement PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #147
NO! Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #186
Enough of the money-possessions are worth more than a life. we can do it Jul 2013 #212
I merely suggest that most people have a limit... Pelican Jul 2013 #213
Think what you want. we can do it Jul 2013 #214
K... Pelican Jul 2013 #216
I generally agree with you with a caveat. tumtum Jul 2013 #2
You would have had every right to defend your children because they are HUMAN beings pnwmom Jul 2013 #52
I should make myself clearer. tumtum Jul 2013 #57
But you don't have a duty to defend your property at all costs. pnwmom Jul 2013 #59
Maybe I'm just old fashioned, or maybe I'm from a different era, tumtum Jul 2013 #61
Are you saying you have a general right and reponsibility to defend your things (i.e., property) pnwmom Jul 2013 #65
Only me, my wife, and my children. tumtum Jul 2013 #75
they are NOT property - they are PERSONS treestar Jul 2013 #80
Yes, they are persons, but they were our "property" to protect at the time tumtum Jul 2013 #86
The law views your children as your property Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #91
Up until they're 18 or emancipated. tumtum Jul 2013 #95
Yes Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #99
Under the law they are persons treestar Jul 2013 #94
I get that, but my wife and I considered them our "property" to protect tumtum Jul 2013 #100
What an attitude to have toward them treestar Jul 2013 #125
That would be your problem, not mine or my wife's. tumtum Jul 2013 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #102
No. They were your RESPONSIBILITY to protect, not your "property". uppityperson Jul 2013 #101
NO, they were our " property" to protect until they were of age. tumtum Jul 2013 #105
You are incapable of learning the correct meaning of a word? Oh. uppityperson Jul 2013 #113
It would seem that you are incapable of learning that people have differences of opinions, tumtum Jul 2013 #115
Merely commenting on a forum discussion. Differences of opinions are ok. And if you want to use a uppityperson Jul 2013 #118
Differences of opinions are ok, tumtum Jul 2013 #122
Reading your profile, we grew up the same era. Not sure of place or upbringing, but era, yes. uppityperson Jul 2013 #123
So what was the title deed - the birth certificate? treestar Jul 2013 #129
Why are you continuing to make such a big deal over this? tumtum Jul 2013 #131
I think people are bothered so much because the end of slavery pnwmom Jul 2013 #195
Now they are grown up treestar Jul 2013 #128
You mean when I was a kid I was my parent's "property"? tularetom Jul 2013 #194
The law views your children as your property Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #96
They are not property - they are PERSONS treestar Jul 2013 #124
So.... pipi_k Jul 2013 #188
+1 Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #191
The only people that have ever been viewed as property Progressive dog Jul 2013 #176
Hell, even the relationship I have with dogs and other pets... hunter Jul 2013 #196
I was talking about people, my dog is Progressive dog Jul 2013 #215
I almost never take into consideration "the way the worlds sees it..." hunter Jul 2013 #217
Well I'm glad for you to Progressive dog Jul 2013 #218
We generally have three animal shelter dogs of the "unadoptable" often much older sort. hunter Jul 2013 #220
Viewing your child as "property" is very.... PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #148
I. Do. Not. Care. What. You. Think. tumtum Jul 2013 #151
That is fine. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #155
Ask me anything you want, I'll answer, tumtum Jul 2013 #207
exactly Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #187
Those into guns will disagree with you, especially if they can shoot someone of another race. Hoyt Jul 2013 #3
... tumtum Jul 2013 #4
Yep ...some try to portray "all" gun owners as sociopath racists who want to shoot purple people. L0oniX Jul 2013 #11
So it would seem. tumtum Jul 2013 #27
Faceplam.......smh NT. JH19059 Jul 2013 #72
Bullshit amateur psychoanalysis always adds SO much to a thread! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #209
Agree. Seen enough cops kill someone who stole a car. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #6
It isn't always easy to distinguish whether someone is threatening your property cali Jul 2013 #7
When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. I probably wouldn't start swinging my Hoyt Jul 2013 #36
That's how I feel. tumtum Jul 2013 #47
Yep. Next thing, they'll defending cases when it just "looked like" someone was up to no good... reformist2 Jul 2013 #8
+1 gollygee Jul 2013 #15
So if someone is breaking into my home, and my daughter is here, and he wants to rape her The Straight Story Jul 2013 #9
If someone is stealing something from my, say garage, front yard, car, tumtum Jul 2013 #21
I agree with that completely. Hoyt Jul 2013 #37
If someone is breaking into your house, it's reasonable to fear for your safety gollygee Jul 2013 #24
Could you... 99Forever Jul 2013 #70
Most property is kept in a home, at least by most humans I know of The Straight Story Jul 2013 #90
Bullshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #92
Really? Read the rest of the thread The Straight Story Jul 2013 #98
Come try it and see what happens. 99Forever Jul 2013 #112
Beautiful dogs, yours? tumtum Jul 2013 #119
Thanks. 99Forever Jul 2013 #127
We have 2 white GSD's, one male, one female. tumtum Jul 2013 #136
I'd be surprised if... 99Forever Jul 2013 #141
That's my thinking too. tumtum Jul 2013 #143
So you DO support harming people simply stealing? joeglow3 Jul 2013 #164
Where did I say otherwise? 99Forever Jul 2013 #169
Do you have a car? Do you work somewhere else? Are you ever gone from your home or somewhere else? uppityperson Jul 2013 #106
No, I do not have a car. The Straight Story Jul 2013 #109
I agree. Apophis Jul 2013 #10
Aren't there states where you can shoot a FLEEING burglar? HockeyMom Jul 2013 #12
Just one, Texas, and only after dark. tumtum Jul 2013 #30
In Texas recently Crunchy Frog Jul 2013 #200
That's just crazy. tumtum Jul 2013 #206
Nope. Not one. And no one can provide factual support for a contrary assertion. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #140
Don't know if it's legal, but at least one man got away with shooting Just Saying Jul 2013 #145
One could argue Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #13
You can argue that... Pelican Jul 2013 #19
Really? Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #26
Oh, how you misread Gandhi... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #73
Bam.. Gandhi high five! Pelican Jul 2013 #77
There are many Gandhi quotes Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #78
I'm not an expert on Gandhi, but I wonder what he would say about someone like Hitler. I consider HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #153
My understanding of Gandhi shows his philosophy to be active non-violence... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #208
Hehehe! B2G Jul 2013 #69
I love me some naturallistic fallacy. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #81
Yes one could make that strawman argument gollygee Jul 2013 #25
I don't think Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #33
Yeah gollygee Jul 2013 #38
It seems I am correct. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #42
It looked to me like gollygee Jul 2013 #50
Maybe if you just read what I wrote Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #56
Horseshit hack89 Jul 2013 #29
So all life is equal Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #32
A value system that cannot distinguish good from evil is useless hack89 Jul 2013 #40
You are conflating Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #44
Gandhi supported violence for self defense hack89 Jul 2013 #58
Actually Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #68
It is hard to imagine that Gandhi would condemn a man hack89 Jul 2013 #76
Conflation again Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #84
Killing is never the right choice except when it is the only choice hack89 Jul 2013 #85
It can be argued it could be the moral choice Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #104
????????????? tumtum Jul 2013 #34
That's fine Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #35
In case you missed it, tumtum Jul 2013 #39
I did not miss it Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #45
That's why I put property in "". tumtum Jul 2013 #55
Again you confuse "responsibility" with "property". uppityperson Jul 2013 #108
We have different beliefs and definitions. tumtum Jul 2013 #110
Of course you have the right to make up your own definitions and to refuse to learn/use proper uppityperson Jul 2013 #114
Thank you. tumtum Jul 2013 #117
I grew up in the same era you did... chillfactor Jul 2013 #139
Slave owner? Really? tumtum Jul 2013 #144
If your profile reflects reality, we grew up in the same era. I consider family responsibility, not uppityperson Jul 2013 #160
Enjoy your stay. nt alphafemale Jul 2013 #149
Why thank you! Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #150
You have an inherent right to preserve yourself. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #162
Incorrect and conflation. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #167
LOL nt NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #171
Why would someone allow themselves to be murdered without putting up even non-lethal resistance? nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #180
I do believe Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #182
Okay. Fair enough. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #183
screw that. Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #205
One could. It is, however, a poor argument. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #210
You have merely Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #224
I did nothing of the sort. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #225
So let me get this right... Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #226
Yep. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #228
Wow, you are a piece of work Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #230
A simple "yes, we're done here" would have sufficed. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #232
I see I was correct. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #234
Then sell it all and send the money to the Sudan. gulliver Jul 2013 #17
For that matter, why is one life more important than another. If I fire at an intruder hughee99 Jul 2013 #23
This is again a strawman argument gollygee Jul 2013 #28
I read it up above just now. It wasn't a straw man there, either. hughee99 Jul 2013 #66
Posts like yours are part of why we have a hard time regulating guns in this country Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #121
Nope, I didn't say anything of the sort. hughee99 Jul 2013 #138
Ok. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #31
A CCW instructor told me if someone broke into his house.... Logical Jul 2013 #43
A lot of nitpicking going on here, but the OP is basically right. reformist2 Jul 2013 #46
+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #181
I agree. Trouble is, many crims beg to differ. Period. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #49
I agree, but it makes me wonder. rrneck Jul 2013 #51
Why own something you're not willing to fight for? PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #172
Except that in some cases property is life Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #53
a film that might interest you: Inhale - Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #54
Sometimes it's not easy to know if all they want 1KansasDem Jul 2013 #60
If someone breaks into my house while I'm there I'll use any means I have to for protection. KentuckyWoman Jul 2013 #62
If someone is breaking into your home B2G Jul 2013 #67
It isn't my job to find out, my job is to assume intent to harm and remove the threat. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #126
If someone breaks into my home, and if I really want to know, I'll call a Psychic Medium afterwards. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #142
You must not be a 1%er. That's all they value. Property. nt valerief Jul 2013 #88
+1 Just Saying Jul 2013 #89
I'll remember this post after you Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #93
I have noticed UglyGreed Jul 2013 #107
Not always pipi_k Jul 2013 #219
Good point and I have discussed UglyGreed Jul 2013 #222
I agree, but otoh, YarnAddict Jul 2013 #111
I guess you do not own any guns DrDan Jul 2013 #130
How about your dog? Jenoch Jul 2013 #132
Since my dogs are considered my property doggie breath Jul 2013 #168
Close to never, but not absolutely so. The more a person shows willingness to do violence to me... Silent3 Jul 2013 #137
What you say is true....but Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #152
I always love threads like these because it makes it easier to spot some things. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #154
+1 uppityperson Jul 2013 #163
These things are always eyeopeners. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #166
depends on the property. ileus Jul 2013 #158
Dunno. Igel Jul 2013 #173
Keep your meathooks off. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #177
Mine is. Nunliebekinder Jul 2013 #178
This message was self-deleted by its author LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #179
Cool where do you live and do you have any good stuff? Egnever Jul 2013 #184
Interesting. The only thing stopping you from burglarizing my home is the Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #189
The only thing stopping me is Egnever Jul 2013 #190
Were someone burgling my house while I was in it... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #233
A person who would take your property, would probably also take your life panzerfaust Jul 2013 #185
the problem is ceonupe Jul 2013 #192
You're perfectly entitled to make that your standard customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #193
Unfortunately someone robbing you may not be so enlightened Recursion Jul 2013 #197
What if the cops break in because they are at the wrong house or they want my property? hunter Jul 2013 #198
+1. Hoyt Jul 2013 #203
Pets are unfortunately property under the law. LeftyMom Jul 2013 #201
Exactly Peaceplace80 Jul 2013 #202
I agree in all normal situations. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #204
I concur. However... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #211
Unless I need my property to save life, Vattel Jul 2013 #223
+10,000 defacto7 Jul 2013 #227
I don't think it's such a black/white issue. last1standing Jul 2013 #229
Wait a sec. That doesn't include comic books, does it? randome Jul 2013 #231
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