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MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. Yes, you were.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:55 AM
Jul 2013

Every time I said something you didn't like, you called me "angry" or "dismissive" or some other term designed to convey that I am some kind of pissed-off Wet Hen. And the only reason you did that is because I don't agree with your naive view that we need new leaders who are "progressive" in the Congress.

Leaders are picked for the leadership skills. Seniority plays a role. That's the bottom line. They can be liberal, conservative, or something in-between, but what they have to be is pragmatic. And hard-nosed, even ruthless.

Stop falsely insisting that it is "important" to me "to try to get people NOT to express their views...blah blah blah." It's not "important" at all. I was trying to spare you some embarrassment by apprising you of how things are done on the Hill, but since you're doubling down and calling me names, go to town and knock yourself out--indulge in fanboy fantasies of Grayson as Speaker--maybe we can bring Kucinich back and make him a whip?

That's all they are, though, is fantasies. If you want to be a leader in Congress, you have to start early, work hard, do extra assignments that are doled out by the leadership, and do them WITHOUT COMPLAINT and COMPETENTLY. That's how you move up. Not by being "progressive."

Don't believe me if you'd like. Toss another insult, too, while you're at it. Names will never hurt me!

No. DURHAM D Jul 2013 #1
Fuck NO. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #2
You need to say "and HERE's fucking why". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #29
"Here's fucking why"--it's not up to US. We have ZERO say in who the leadership in Congress will be. MADem Jul 2013 #35
You're saying we have no right to even express an opinion about this? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #39
You can yammer on all you'd like, but if you have never been up in Congress and seen how the sausage MADem Jul 2013 #45
Your tone here is getting really unpleasant. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #46
Look who's talking! Now I have an "unpleasant tone!" MADem Jul 2013 #49
I didn't mean anything as name-calling. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #51
You continue to falsely characterize me. MADem Jul 2013 #53
BTW, the post I originally responded to was from a different poster. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #58
That is how discussion boards work--people hop in at a point that interests them. MADem Jul 2013 #62
You're talking down to everyone on this thread, and nobody here deserves that. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #98
No, I am not--and there YOU go--mischaracterizing me again. MADem Jul 2013 #102
What unworkable scenario have I proposed? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #108
You are proposing candidates with zero administrative, leadership, MADem Jul 2013 #110
Ken Burch you are on target. I question the motives of anyone who tries to shut you up for GoneFishin Jul 2013 #126
okay how's this elehhhhna Jul 2013 #89
Neither my tone nor message are "condescending." MADem Jul 2013 #92
I didn't say that we choose the legislative leaders. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #97
No one is stopping you from expressing that opinion. MADem Jul 2013 #104
You keep calling people stupid and uninformed Ken Burch Jul 2013 #107
I'd say you aren't treating me with respect. MADem Jul 2013 #131
It is like trying to tell a doctor how to operate treestar Jul 2013 #75
Precisely. Getting legislation through the process is not a MADem Jul 2013 #99
And progressives are just as capable of learning and doing all those things as "centrists" are. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #109
They are, and they do. But they don't start out as MADem Jul 2013 #112
Barbara Lee(who I just offered up as a possibility) Ken Burch Jul 2013 #115
Hoyer challenged her, you know--but Nancy had done more homework, AND MADem Jul 2013 #121
You have made the case of the OP with this: sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #95
No, I haven't--and we can meet here in ten years, and the system will still be the same. MADem Jul 2013 #96
We haven't gotten much passed that benefited the people. Sure, they got lots of things sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #105
We haven't gotten anything passed since "we" gave the House to MADem Jul 2013 #106
'We', that means Democrats, did not give Boehner the leadership in 2010. How many sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #111
No. "We" didn't GOTV. The youth vote just didn't show up. MADem Jul 2013 #118
I don't disagree with the use of insults etc to make a point, I have not done so ever, sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #120
Why is it so important to you to use terms like "yammering" anyway? n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #127
I invite your attention to your posts, directed at me, that preceded mine. MADem Jul 2013 #130
I don't see your remarks as "yammering", Ken. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #63
And that has absolutely NOTHING to do with how a Speaker or Leader is chosen. nt MADem Jul 2013 #86
You'll Probably Get Your Wish In 2015... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #3
There are almost 200 other democrats to choose from. 20score Jul 2013 #5
How people vote is largely irrelevant. Leaders are chosen for their skills. MADem Jul 2013 #36
Sounds like you're pretty much saying "shut up and know your place, peasants". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #40
Not at all--I'm saying Learn How Congress Works. MADem Jul 2013 #43
OK, we don't get a direct vote in this, granted. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #44
Look, you keep slamming me for stating facts, and then you have the nerve to MADem Jul 2013 #47
I wasn't "slamming" you at all. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #48
Yes, you were. MADem Jul 2013 #52
I called you angry and dismissive because you sounded that way. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #59
You took it that way. All I was doing was stating facts. MADem Jul 2013 #61
You were polite and well reasoned. Your opponent on the other hand was rude - as usual - 20score Jul 2013 #84
I am not an "opponent." I am a Democrat. MADem Jul 2013 #87
Your posts were well reasoned and gentle in tone. No slamming to be found anywhere. nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #64
Yes. Puglover Jul 2013 #79
No he led off with "angry" and "contemptuous" and "dismissive." nt MADem Jul 2013 #88
No, it's saying don't micromanage treestar Jul 2013 #78
Why do you equate the expression of an opinion with "micromanagement"? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #100
It is not based on political position on one issue. treestar Jul 2013 #76
Alan Grayson. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #6
Wouldn't that shake things up.... think Jul 2013 #8
If you're going to say, 'No!' At least say why. I'm open to good arguments. 20score Jul 2013 #4
Pelosi and Reid both need to go bigwillq Jul 2013 #7
Agreed. 20score Jul 2013 #9
They are both too softspoken to be leading in these times. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #23
Not just Pelosi but the entire Gang of Eight Catherina Jul 2013 #10
Great reply! Thanks! 20score Jul 2013 #11
I think you mean "Boehner should go". nt jazzimov Jul 2013 #12
Read the post. I know what i meant. 20score Jul 2013 #13
She was very effective in getting legislation through Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #24
You know perfectly well we all mean that too. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #41
Pelosi was told, and signed off on, torture and spying n2doc Jul 2013 #14
Forgot about the torture. (As for her defenders, they don't seem to have a case for keeping her.) 20score Jul 2013 #15
Of course she should go. She works for us and this means she sucks at suede1 Jul 2013 #16
I knew there would be people who objected. Was hoping that someone would have a 20score Jul 2013 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author bluestate10 Jul 2013 #18
Few people react to 9 year old information that has a single issue tilt. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #19
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #20
Says the newbie gratuituously Hekate Jul 2013 #27
+ 1000----Damn you and your pesky facts eh? | nt MADem Jul 2013 #37
Leave it to a reactionary to be wrong and be rude about it. 20score Jul 2013 #67
Sorry 20score. I alerted on a response and the people judging it thought it was you. suede1 Jul 2013 #21
Well thanks for admitting it. Hopefully the jerk will see it. 20score Jul 2013 #68
I like her but I would not be upset if she retired after next years election. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #22
Revolt!! I'm all for it. Grayson it is then. Glad that's settled. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #25
Seriously... RudynJack Jul 2013 #33
The entire Democratic caucus regards him as a tough leader who can push people around? MADem Jul 2013 #38
thanks RudynJack Jul 2013 #42
Track record of bold progressive leadership. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #72
Yes he does. RudynJack Jul 2013 #80
That qualifies him more than enough . limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #83
No. Hekate Jul 2013 #26
Why not? What does she bring to the table that nobody else could offer? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #30
After "impeachment is off the table", this shouldn't have even been a question NuclearDem Jul 2013 #28
She said that BEFORE she became speaker RudynJack Jul 2013 #32
That's just dumb. Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #31
well, this is silly. It's up to the people of her district whether to re-elect her cali Jul 2013 #34
I'm even colder about it. All 535 need to go. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2013 #50
I can pick 3 dozen who should stay. How sad is that? cali Jul 2013 #57
It proves that you're a nicer, less vindictive person than I am. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2013 #113
Good thread. I agree in a lot of ways. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #54
I fear the alternative would something far worse, like Steny Hoyer. David__77 Jul 2013 #55
He's next in line. If he wants it, he's got it. MADem Jul 2013 #56
And so: "Go Pelosi!" David__77 Jul 2013 #90
Her job, as Speaker, is not to represent one segment of the Party. MADem Jul 2013 #91
Yes, pro forma, her role is to represent all Democrats. David__77 Jul 2013 #94
Agreed - It Is Time For Her To Go cantbeserious Jul 2013 #60
be that as it may, it's up to the dem house caucus and voters in her district cali Jul 2013 #65
Agreed - That Does Not Change The Fact That She Is Supporting The Debasement Of The Constitution cantbeserious Jul 2013 #71
not going to happen. Not going to get a more progressive speaker, anyway bigtree Jul 2013 #66
I disagree. Laelth Jul 2013 #69
Picking a single issue you disagree with and throw her under the bus for that? DCBob Jul 2013 #70
It's not a single issue. It's torture, Chained CPI, spying, 20score Jul 2013 #73
All of those issues are complex and debatable. DCBob Jul 2013 #77
You're good with torture? With cutting SS? With Total Information Awareness? Damn! 20score Jul 2013 #82
TORTURE is complex? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #114
Of course not.. I was referring to the issues in the OP and Nancy Pelosi's view of them. DCBob Jul 2013 #123
Just wanted to clarify. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #124
It is up to the Democrats in the House treestar Jul 2013 #74
No. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #81
So she should go because of one statement and one vote Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #85
I would like to see Ms. Pelosi replaced with a fresher liberal house member from San Francisco. PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #93
The only thing that should change for Pelosi is making her SOTH again. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #101
She's mediocre LittleBlue Jul 2013 #103
Pelosi is probably the best Speaker in my lifetime. gulliver Jul 2013 #116
Pffffffffffft. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #117
I lost a lot of respect for her several years ago, over the issue of Bush's impeachment briankdinnj16 Jul 2013 #119
That's when she lost my support. LWolf Jul 2013 #122
ahhh do you realize she is the minority party in the house? madrchsod Jul 2013 #125
Pelosi and Reid have always been weak and ineffective leaders. steelmania75 Jul 2013 #128
Pelosi and Reid are pathetic excuses for leaders, but they are darlings of some lobby group(s). GoneFishin Jul 2013 #129
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