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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 02:29 PM

surfdog (624 posts)

69. In that case

Was the Civil War justified ?

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86 replies	Author	Time	Post
When is Violence Morally Justified? [View all]	BrentWil	Feb 2012	OP
Violence is morally justified	yellerpup	Feb 2012	#1
How is that judged?	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#3
Bush also said god told him to do it	Major Nikon	Feb 2012	#6
Yeah but he would be lying...	SomethingFishy	Feb 2012	#8
When someone is attacking you	yellerpup	Feb 2012	#9
Is imminent danger never a justification for violence?	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#24
You mean, like call the KKK out for a showdown?	yellerpup	Feb 2012	#37
Certainly, I would get out of town also..	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#45
No, it is.	Hosnon	Feb 2012	#40
If attacking an army across your boarder is justified...	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#46
It might be - but it gets harder and harder to justify.	Hosnon	Feb 2012	#75
Armies do train. We mass all the time on the North Korean border and they do the same to us. NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#78
The DMZ is a unique situation in that it is expected to have two armies heavily entrenched along it.	Hosnon	Feb 2012	#83
we were not threatened by iraq. we were not defending ourselves against iraq.	spanone	Feb 2012	#64
Bush was lying.	sabrina 1	Feb 2012	#86
This is along my sentiment	Progression	Feb 2012	#34
Self defense is always justifiable	yellerpup	Feb 2012	#38
What about Poland in WWII? NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#47
In defense	libtodeath	Feb 2012	#2
Well then....	surfdog	Feb 2012	#11
If you are being serious	libtodeath	Feb 2012	#13
Why ?	surfdog	Feb 2012	#15
For the same reason	libtodeath	Feb 2012	#18
In that case	surfdog	Feb 2012	#69
Who decides that? NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#25
Hmm. I think it may be intellectually justified when	geckosfeet	Feb 2012	#4
Defense of self and property	Marrah_G	Feb 2012	#5
Is it moral to take a life in defense of all property? Shoot someone for stealing bread?	Vincardog	Feb 2012	#10
If someone is burning down your home	Aerows	Feb 2012	#12
And if someone is threatening your life or violence against you or your family. n/t	RebelOne	Feb 2012	#21
To me, that goes without saying	Aerows	Feb 2012	#62
Some would argue that having property is an act of stealing. NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#26
Indeed, and some would argue that abortion is murder.	Fortran	Feb 2012	#43
+1	Aerows	Feb 2012	#63
It of course depends on each situation	Marrah_G	Feb 2012	#22
If it means starvation for you.	TheKentuckian	Feb 2012	#42
Violence against property is often morally justified	Taverner	Feb 2012	#7
There are moments where violence against property is not enough.	Great Caesars Ghost	Feb 2012	#20
One will lead to the other. Do you have a right to use violence for someone defending their land?	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#27
Anyone who kills another over property has committed cold blooded murder IMO	Taverner	Feb 2012	#31
Including a cop who shoots a bank robber that has not actually harmed anyone?	Fortran	Feb 2012	#67
Well I would say so, but unfortunately our courts wouldn't	Taverner	Feb 2012	#68
I do not consider it unfortunate. I have no problem with using as much force as necessary to	Fortran	Feb 2012	#76
So a man steals and runs - that makes him worthy of death?	Taverner	Feb 2012	#77
It depends. I can't speak to every situation, I leave it to rightwingers to assign absolutes to	Fortran	Feb 2012	#81
In the home, it is a legitimate threat to your life NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#82
Yes, of course. nt	Fortran	Feb 2012	#85
In this case the cop has gone too far.	white_wolf	Feb 2012	#84
In certain circumstances I do value property over life.	MicaelS	Feb 2012	#72
What of the american revolution?	Great Caesars Ghost	Feb 2012	#73
It's not.	Robb	Feb 2012	#14
Says the guy...	surfdog	Feb 2012	#17
You'll find hypocrites are typically less cynical.	Robb	Feb 2012	#19
Wait..so if we live in any country with a history of violence and we don't believe in	renie408	Feb 2012	#70
Since morality is an invented concept without an objective definition...	Johnny Rico	Feb 2012	#23
Social Constructionism ...	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#29
I would say that in practice, no moral code allows these basic conditions to be met.	Johnny Rico	Feb 2012	#32
Moral codes do allow for a majority of people to have their basic needs provided for..	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#33
I agree, it's a societal consensus.	Johnny Rico	Feb 2012	#35
Absolutely...	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#44
Realistically speaking, was there anything better around at the time?	Johnny Rico	Feb 2012	#50
China, perhaps	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#56
Something to be said for that.	Johnny Rico	Feb 2012	#60
So it is not moral to save your family, for example? NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#28
Defending innocent life from irrational violence is undoubtedly justified.	Hosnon	Feb 2012	#41
Depends on the social system doesn't...	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#48
When is shit-stirring morally justified?	demmiblue	Feb 2012	#16
What thread was self-deleted in GD? How the fuck is this "shit-stirring"	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#30
In self defense certainly.	MrSlayer	Feb 2012	#36
In defense of course	guitar man	Feb 2012	#39
Who is to judge if they are out to harm you? NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#49
Only me	guitar man	Feb 2012	#51
Violence, when morally justified is no longer violence. n/t	flvegan	Feb 2012	#52
They'll never get it, believe me.	Major Hogwash	Feb 2012	#53
Actually, it is...	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#54
a/k/a "HI! I know how to find Wikipedia, but am clueless as to what it means."	flvegan	Feb 2012	#55
Violence doesn't stop being violence if it is used in a just means...	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#57
A hero stops a murder by killing "them" or whatever.	flvegan	Feb 2012	#58
It is still an act of violence, whatever other word you wish to use. NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#59
No it isn't. n/t	flvegan	Feb 2012	#61
That's utterly ridiculous	RZM	Feb 2012	#66
In defense of one's self, or of others.	slackmaster	Feb 2012	#65
There are so many moving parts to this question, it is hard to answer.	renie408	Feb 2012	#71
The other questions were follow on questions to make one think about their consequences NT	BrentWil	Feb 2012	#79
You're asking me, right? Then the answer is "when I think so".	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2012	#74
Every time I've used it. eom	Fla_Democrat	Feb 2012	#80

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